July 11, 2005

Poll results show many would prefer Evans step down

In response to the question, "Rep. Lane Evans has indicated he intends to run for a 12th term. What do you think of this decision?"

The results of the entirely unscientific and fairly easily corrupted poll are:

1. Evans should step down gracefully, accepting our sincere gratitude for his long service, and back a new candidate. - 71 votes or 83.5%

2. Right of Evans and good for the party. - 13 votes or 15.3%

3. I don't know if it's best for Evans, but it's good for the party. - 1 vote or 1.2%

4. Not thrilled, but he's the best candidate we could have. - 0 votes or 0.0%

Total votes cast: 85

The poll ran 3 days, July 8th through 10th


While the results only indicate the views of some visitors here, they're fairly strong. It appears that if the truth were known, not many are entirely thrilled at the prospect of Evans hanging on and mounting yet another campaign.

Discuss

40 Comments:

At 7/11/2005 6:52 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

This poll was corrupted the same as the last big poll except whomever did it made sure it was not real obvious by only doing it in small spurts. After all the flury over the last poll which got yanked, it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out how to fool you Dope.

You should not let this or any of the other polls stand. It's a dangerous thing that is being used by some as their own PR tool. The Republicans probably shouted with glee when you loaded this one up Dopester. They surely did most of the voting.

The first poll and this one are both corrupt and should be pulled and you should not do any other polls until you know that people can't vote more than once.

 
At 7/11/2005 8:29 AM, Blogger hud50 said...

I think it's very interesting. Obviously, Lane's crew does not look at this website.

 
At 7/11/2005 10:30 AM, Blogger Huntooner said...

That must be a terribly flawed poll Inside D, I am sorry to say.

Congressman Evan's health may not be as strong as it used to be, but his support among Democrats remains absolutely unbeatable. I'd go so far as to suggest that a real poll would produce the exact opposite indication. My well informed "guess" is that anyone who bothered to poll a sample of real voters, not blog posters, would find that Lane's support is solid with 75% - 80% of likely Democratic Primary voters.

He's good to go as long as he desires, and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably practicing self deception, and likely wishful thinking as well! The apparent results of your poll, indicates the likely presence of a large percentage of discontents and wanna-bes among your readership. But that really shouldn’t surprise anyone with political savvy who actually reads the (mostly) self serving rhetoric of your most frequent posters.

Like the old adage goes, “Congratulations, you’ve got your Democracy, now good luck keeping it”, my gut instinct is to say this to you - “Congratulations you’ve got your blog - now good luck finding much worth reading.”

I don’t plan on posting much, blogs aren’t really my personal style. I really just signed up to comment about the rumors that I was some kind of candidate for elected office (I am NOT!) and to address the controversy that arose over the misspelling of my name in a poll.

But when I see a poll that indicates Lane’s support is weak among fellow Democrats. I can’t help speaking up to say that I know better. If Lane’s support is that poor among this blog’s readers, your viewers are not representative of real democrats in Congressman Evan’s district. That not meant as a criticism, instead just an observation.

 
At 7/11/2005 10:44 AM, Blogger diehard said...

Lane has said himself the only way he is leaving is the ballott box or the pine box.
Whatever these folks think of Lane,[i happen to be a supporter] they have to think do we really want to loose another congressional seat to the R's.

 
At 7/11/2005 10:53 AM, Blogger youngridemocrat said...

Lane Evans has had a great career, and Democrats in the region should say, 'THANK YOU, THANK YOU.'

But anyone in the party who thinks that it's not time for a change must have their head under the covers! This party had better start grooming a successor to Lane Evans, or else the Republicans will win the seat. That's the point. We need to keep the seat Democrat.

 
At 7/11/2005 11:14 AM, Blogger diehard said...

And since I have my head under the covers I'm sure your going to tell me who to vote for. Gee who's young Dem[it has to be one of 3 people M Jacobs, M,Darrow,Dennis Ahearn] all salivating over Lanes job!
When this happens it will have to be with the advise and consent of Lane. I understand that the seat is not necesserily his but it behooves the party not to have an ugly primary. so you three head out to Washington and start kissing his butt! The vultures are starting to circle! Because if you do you alienate the spinless swing voters. 'Oh I dont vote for the party I vote for the man!' So another words you dont vote based on any issues!
Young Ted Brunvold would make an excellent congressman!

 
At 7/11/2005 11:56 AM, Blogger kingofbeers said...

diehard,

As one of your fans (your posts are great and usually on the mark), I'm surprised you missed the obvious choice of "youngridemocrat." Recall that youngridemocrat is a side kick to the head usher. Now which Jacobs lives in RI...our friend JP Jacobs.

You also threw me a bit on Chicago Teddy. He's got his dad's name, but he hasn't been around the area in decades. I say, keep your eyes on the "middle aged ri democrat"
Mark Schwiebert.

 
At 7/11/2005 12:02 PM, Blogger diehard said...

I threw Ted out there to get a reaction! When you were a kid did you ever hit a bee-hive with 2by4?
Sorry I forgot to mention the ever wooden Mark Shwibert!

 
At 7/11/2005 12:05 PM, Blogger kingofbeers said...

Beautiful!

And Mark will give his wife a long kiss in front of the cameras and he too will be hip!

 
At 7/11/2005 12:19 PM, Blogger diehard said...

Mark hip? I think his DNA was spliced from Howard Spreeg! Oops I'm dating myself again. Back to Teddy. I think he would probably be taking a paycut to be a comgressman. I'snt he a lobbyist/

 
At 7/11/2005 12:23 PM, Blogger diehard said...

Lane Evans is like McDonalds you know what youve got when you cast a vote for Lane. A straight up liberal who will always vote in the best interest of us poor folks like me. And wont kiss the Republicans ass like our stste represenitives do!

 
At 7/11/2005 1:38 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

I appreciate the comments which disagree with the poll.

As I try to make perfectly clear, this poll is a reflection of only those who vote in it (which is of course, only from a pool of people who visit the site, which is of course, NOT representative of say, the pool of likely voters)and is subject to a person or persons skewing the results by voting repeatedly.

Bearing both of those factors in mind, readers may take it for whatever they feel it's worth. But no one is saying it's the gold standard for polling. ha!

And as for the suggestion that anyone would use this in ads... well, I think they'd be pretty dumb to even consider doing that.

This just reflects the fact that there are some out there who feel that it's probably time for Lane to step down in favor of another candidate.

This should come as a shock to no one.

But as to it reflecting actual sentiment out there... no one can say with any certainty.

Perhaps it just reflects unhappiness with Evans' decision among party activists who would otherwise not dare to breath the sentiment in public?

Again, impossible to say, but take from it what you will, bearing in mind at all times that this poll is a reflection of only those who vote in it (NOT a random sample.)and is fairly easy to manipulate by a person or persons skewing the results by voting repeatedly.

 
At 7/11/2005 3:45 PM, Blogger theheadusher said...

Mike Boland is the only Dempcrat politcian taking steps to launch an all out campaign against incumbent Congressman Lane Evans.

Boland shocked insiders last month when he commissioned a poll to gauge his chance against incumbent Congressman Lane Evans.

But after paying $6,200 to Quincy-baed pollster (Bill Eddly), Boland discovered Evans was stronger than he imagined.

Although the poll had an unusually high margine of error (7.5%), it convinced Boland that he couldn't beat Evans.

Now will see if the Evan's crowd lets Boland "scurry back" to his House seat. As Evan's "veteran campaign team" are highly unhappy with the "push-polling" techniques employeed by Boland.

Look out boys --- this is getting interesting!

 
At 7/11/2005 5:42 PM, Blogger diehard said...

No-way! Boland's not even going to run against Jacobs. I think Denny waited long enough for the old pit bull to be too tired to run against Junior. Now if he had gifted his Senate seat to Junior on the last term then Boland wouldn't be as tuckered out as he is now. Or if Denny had waited for his term to expire and let Junoir run for it like Oh I don't know....A Democracy!!
The Jacobs think its a family buisness. That Senate seat belongs to the people!!

 
At 7/11/2005 6:55 PM, Blogger LL Cool T said...

When Lane was elected to the Congress he had not held or run for another elected office that I am aware of. I don't think that we should focus on people who have either held other offices, run for offices and LOST or are currently in office. The person who could be our next Congressman may be someone just like Lane, who comes out of nowhere, takes on a popular incumbent recently plagued by scandal and wins. Everyone on this blog is a political insider and most are out of touch with the majority of voters in the 17th District. I predict that we will see a relatively unknown Democrat enter the primary and take on Lane. This person may be from Decatur or Springfield. It would be great for the party because it will motivate Lane's supporters and he can prove that he still has what it takes to win the General.

It would be like a sparring partner keeping the champ in shape for the big fight. Sometimes the sparring partner wins and if he does we better be prepared as a party to rally behind that primary winner and hold that seat in the general. Our next Congressman may be a Republican if we don't play this right. On the other hand, our next Congressman could be one of those young Democrats waiting in the wings who jumps out ahead of the curve and enters this next primary against all odds just like Lane did.

 
At 7/11/2005 7:06 PM, Blogger diehard said...

For your information Lane did not run against an incumbent.

 
At 7/11/2005 7:14 PM, Blogger LL Cool T said...

diehard...FYI... when Lane entered the race noone knew the incumbent Republican was going to get knocked off in the primary.

 
At 7/11/2005 7:59 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

King o Beers - Schwiebert is a Republican and I doubt he's kissed his wife in public in years! Tell him to quit tryin to be the Congressman - he's too boring for us all.

Boland is on meds if he thinks for a minute he can beat Lane Evans or for that matter that he is qualified.

Dope, Porter McNeil is using his "winning poll" from your blog to try and generate interest in himself as a candidate for the 17st seat on other such blogs - so I am not too far off here. For the good of the party, yank both of these false polls as they are a joke. You know it, I know it, and the American People know it!!

II Cool - fact still remains that Lane faced Ken McMillian on the first ballot in 1982 for the Congressional seat after Right wing extremist farmer McMillian beat Railsback whence Railsback was weak after scandal, loss of his voice for months (no one yet knows why the temp mute of his voice? Tom's people said it was a handball injury - others on the outside said it was mental anguish and stress on old Tom), and the Watergate hearings all played into that primary.

II Cool - there are probably still some old time Dems who wish they'd had the guts to file and run for that seat in 1982 on the chance of a win -- in hindsight - but Lane Evans had the gumption to run and I thank him daily for his hard work and determination both then and now!!!

 
At 7/11/2005 9:22 PM, Blogger diehard said...

Maybesomeday I assume the old time Dems you mean Old Man Darrow trying to live vicariousley [I know I probably didn't spell that right], through his kid. i mesn he's a Darrow he should auotomaticly be important!
Or maybe are old friend Joel gunny Brusvold. Friend to the Republican,hater of women and scourge of real Democrats!

 
At 7/12/2005 12:12 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Maybe Someday... If McNeil is mentioning his win in the poll here, that's not of concern. I'm sure he intends it to show that he has the capability to mount a good GOTV effort and has a pool of people he can count on for support.
But surely he can't point to that poll as a reason people should back him. It's just a tiny feather he can stick in his hat. Very tiny.

I think the first poll results were a far more likely reflection of support than say, the second poll, where hundreds of votes poured in suddenly in the last hours, more than had been cast in 4 days time!

You have a right to your opinion, of course. But I think the polls serve a purpose as long as the people who view the results do so knowing what they represent.

And.... I will take this opportunity to again remind you that you at one point indicated you'd be interested in being a guest poster.

You seem to have strong feelings about these polls, so perhaps that would be a good subject for your first one.

But I have yet to hear from you via e-mail. Please get in touch and I can set up a day for you, or simply send in your finished post and I'll put it up for you.

If you write with an email address I don't know, please indicate your Blogger name somewhere in the message so I know who you are.

 
At 7/12/2005 6:54 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

All good things in time Dope. I am tryig to get my email fixed up for you so I can guest post. Be patient.

You seem a bit biased in favor of McNeil. He's a good candidate but due to your insistence on keeping his blog poll up he enjoys an advantage over others whose polls were janked even though McNeils' poll was surely not certainly authentic -- plus the Evans poll is a farce.

If you want to maintain credibility and feel your guy McNeil is that good, find a new type of poll more secure and start over.

Yank all the past corrupt polls and do it right or not at all.

I am just trying to keep you legal Dopster.

 
At 7/12/2005 9:44 AM, Blogger diehard said...

All that aside lets not take anything away fromporter Mcneil being a great candidate for the state legislature.
If Boland we grow some balls and run against Mikee Jacobs.
I know Boland use to have him I wonder if he still does?

 
At 7/12/2005 10:14 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Maybe... I did pull down the polls as soon as they were over. I just noticed last night that for some reason they still appear in some archive pages. I'm not sure why or how that is, but I'll see if I can find a way to get rid of them. But I can't "edit" the archive pages, so I'll have to see if I can do it at all.

I still maintain that though the 71st district poll may have been jiggered, it was not as blatantly nor as extreme, thus I think it deserves to stand.

I've certainly got nothing against McNeil, but I don't know how I could be accused of favoring him.

I intend to continue doing polls as I see fit as I don't share your view that they're somehow harmful and I think they're interesting at least.

I confess that I haven't spent a lot of time looking around for different poll providers, but I'm not too optimistic that it's capable to have a fool-proof one. And if it is, I believe you'd have to have access to and knowledge of much more technological capability than I have.

 
At 7/12/2005 1:49 PM, Blogger diehard said...

I told you so! Well Headrusher you must be releived that there wont be any Democrats in the Senate race?

 
At 7/12/2005 2:01 PM, Blogger hud50 said...

Is this for real? Dope, can you confirm?

 
At 7/12/2005 2:39 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

Hey to "maybesomeday," I know Porter McNeil. He's a friend of mine. He is not out flaunting his winning poll numbers. If he were doing that actively, you would know that.

 
At 7/12/2005 2:54 PM, Blogger diehard said...

Porter Mcneil for Senate!!!

 
At 7/12/2005 4:19 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

People, consider the source of this Boland rumor..

HeadUsher his own self. And you all know that only a miniscule amount of what he says can be taken seriously.

And Lord knows he doesn't take this blog seriously or he wouldn't dump such tripe here. He just likes to fool around here and try to mess with people.

 
At 7/13/2005 7:01 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dope, look to the right and see the link to view "past poll results here" where you talk about both the 71 and 72nd district polls saying that one was tampered with and the other stands.

Is that what you thought you removed? It's still there.

I like Porter too but I still believe that all the polls are false due to the machine used and its weakness for being tampered with as they were up for vote.

In fairness, I think they should all be dumped. If I find anything that looks reliable, I will let you know but it's unlikely. The Media uses thses but only to generate media buzz.

Is that what you are doing Dope? Generating buzz?? If so, let them all stand. Why not??

 
At 7/13/2005 10:33 AM, Blogger diehard said...

If Boland runs for senate I'll buy Boland and you lunch Dope!
Beleive me these politicians never pick up the tab.
Have you ever gone to lunch with John Ganulis?He never buys. He's got more money than Tyson Foods has illegal aliens!
He gets whiplash turning away when the waitress brings the bill!

 
At 7/13/2005 2:14 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

Miss Diehard, you are really trying to stir up trouble now, aren't you?

 
At 7/14/2005 8:41 AM, Blogger diehard said...

Thats Mrs. Diehard to you you you masher politicalwind!!!

 
At 7/14/2005 5:35 PM, Blogger Drew Hibbard said...

Chuck Scholz for U.S. Representative 17th District

 
At 7/14/2005 10:34 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

Chuck Who?

 
At 7/15/2005 7:13 AM, Blogger youngdem503 said...

First of all this poll makes me ill. While it is no question that Lane Evans will retain his seat, it just makes me ill that some of you are insiders and still talk bad about the Congressman. If you want to look for a successor for Congressman Evans look at Phil Hare (his district rep.) or maybe Lane will hold out until I am old enough to run. As for the 71st district, as long as the Republican in the Democrat glasses doesn't win I'll be okay. Porter is a good choice but I have faith in Jerry Lack regardless of his personality (or Lack there of).

And if anyone was in Moline last weekend they might have seen that Jim Mowen had a sign up on John Deere Road in front of the Christain book store; what a joke.

 
At 7/15/2005 1:53 PM, Blogger diehard said...

Jerry Lack a congressman? HA HA HA HA HA ..............HA HA HA HA

 
At 7/16/2005 10:51 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

YoungDem... I feel your pain, but the fact remains that there are many people out there who would like to run for office.

The fact is that these people have also busted their asses in support of Lane for decades now. They have nothing against Lane. Far from it, they have nothing but the highest regard for him, as far as can be known.

But politics is politics and there has to be a certain cold practicality considered.

The fact remains that many feel, and justifiably so, in my opinion, that perhaps Evans has already had his last hurrah, and that for him to continue to run not only stirs up bad feelings among those who would like someone else to run, and perhaps even worse, could tarnish Lane's reputation by creating the appearance that he's clinging to the office in an unbecoming way and is not concerned whether his staying on will end up dragging Dems down and even opening up the distinct possibiltity of losing his seat to a Republican.

It's not that there's anti-Evans sentiment out there, per se, just people who sincerly think the best move for Lane would be to carefully plan his retirement and make sure that there's a capable and strong Dem candidate to take his place.... and soon.

 
At 7/17/2005 8:21 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Drew Hibbard - I have a slogan for your dufus 'shultz' who wants to run for Congress, "I know nothing...nothing." This guy sounds like some idiot. Who the h-- is he anyway?? Some carpetbagger??

 
At 7/17/2005 8:22 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dope, guess you are gonna leave the past blog poll results standing on the right column of the Blog right? They are still there today - both the cancelled one and the 1st one.....at least the Evans numbers aren't posted - thank goodness as they are a farce.

Wish you'd explain or look into it. You acted like you'd pulled all of the stuff earlier.

 
At 7/17/2005 4:09 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

There you go again Maybe... ha!

Here's the deal. I'm not taking any poll results down.

When I mentioned that I couldn't take the polls down on some pages I was referring to the fact that if you go back and view archived pages, the show prior polls. I don't know how to take them off of the archived pages. I believe it would take a lot of time and effort if it were possible, and I'm not going to bother.

Secondly, thanks for reminding me that the Evans poll results weren't up. The reason for that was that the web page template I'd used wouldn't allow one long column and began to squeeze everything into multiple columns when I tried to add the Evans' results.
I've been meaning to take a few hours and find and create a new template which I could add all of the results in one column.

I've now done that as you can see by following the poll results link.

The results will remain available on that page. The note regarding the 72nd district poll explains why those results were omitted.

This is the last I'll have to say on this issue.

 

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