July 11, 2005

Bush Youth heart Hillary

LAS VEGAS -- Young Republicans have one thing to say to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton about a possible 2008 presidential bid: Bring it on.

Members attending the group's biennial convention said it's not too early to talk about how to keep a Republican in the White House, and they think Clinton could help them win again if she were on the Democratic ticket.

"I think it's very likely the senator from New York will run," said Rick Veenstra, 27, chairman of the Illinois Young Republicans. ''She'll bring a lot of people to the polls. The name Clinton before a number of Republicans is akin to waving a red flag."

Convention guests attended several panels and training seminars Thursday, including one on how to mobilize young voters by "keeping it positive, not partisan." They were told the only demographic President Bush lost to Sen. John Kerry in 2004 was the 18-to-29 group.

"This party cannot afford to allow that segment of the population to be Democrat," said Frank Fahrenkopf, former Republican National Committee chairman and Thursday's keynote speaker. "This is where the Young Republicans can be of particular value."

Many here said they would welcome Clinton's entrance because she is a polarizing figure. "It would be absolutely great for us," said Michele Mester, 26, from Cleveland. "She's like a PR nightmare." [For you, perhaps.]

Several of the 600 Young Republicans gathered for the five-day convention mentioned former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Arizona Sen. John McCain as potential presidential contenders.

Others suggested Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee.
Think Hillary would be the answer to these fun lovin' young Republican's dreams, or their worst nightmare?


At 7/11/2005 9:38 AM, Blogger diehard said...

I think the Republicans have a problem. From looking at the motley crew they have on a list to run.
Hillary has a rep for being a bitch on wheels. But I wish she would go back to being herself instead of being a 'moderate' and supporting the shooting gallery in Iraq.
I mean, the people that support 'the war on poor people/terror, are not going to vote for her anyway.
I think Obama's going to go.

At 7/11/2005 1:36 PM, Blogger youngridemocrat said...

I'm ready to dump the Northeasterners like John Kerry and Hillary Clinton in favor of some candidates from the middle west heartland ... how about Evan Bayh? Tom Vilsack? Mary Kay Landrieu of Louisiana? Mark Warner of West Virginia? Phil Bredenseon of Tennessee?

Well, there is one "northeasterner" I would take in 2008 -- Bill Clinton of NY!

At 7/11/2005 5:44 PM, Blogger diehard said...

I think Joe Kennedy should clean out his closet and get on the ticket. Pat Kennedy has a good record he's a congressman.
This country needs them now more than ever!

At 7/11/2005 5:45 PM, Blogger diehard said...

screw the Young Republicans!!!

At 7/11/2005 6:38 PM, Blogger LL Cool T said...

Young RI Democrat it amazes me that you call for a midwesterner over a northeasterner and then invoke places like Virginia, Louisiana and Tennessee. You need a geography lesson! Also are you proposing to repeal the Constitutional amendment that prevents Bill from running again? He will replace Kofi Annan as head of the United Nations. President of the World is where we need Bill. As for Hillary, she missed her chance and should have run in 2004. The Dem's nomination is once again John Kerry's to lose, but he will not conme out so early and put the target on his back. He will let the unknowns fight it out and when noone emerges as a credible front runner or if the party faithful gets scared of Hillary like they did with Howard Dean, then Kerry gets drafted to enter the race and repeats easily in Iowa and New Hampshire. Hillary will then go on the offensive with negative attacks against Kerry to salvage her crumbling candidacy and we will see the same backlash against negative campaigning that happened to Dean and Gephardt in Iowa. Remember, Sen. Kerry lost his first race for Congress, learned some lessons and came back to win. This time around his Senate seat is up so he resigns from the Senate, nominates another Kennedy to take his place and focuses on running full time.

Hillary has to run for reelection in 2006 only to begin her presidential campaign shortly afterward. Does she tell the NY voters that being the Senator from NY is good, but if she becomes President it is even better, so reelect her even if it is only for two years of part time duty.

Timing is everything and so much will happen in Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea and other places we haven't even considered yet, plus the economy will also be a key factor in the next Presidential race.

I'd rather just go for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney for treason and live with Denny Hastert for a couple of years.

However, when the nation's security is at the forefront of people's minds they will look to a candidate that they at least know something about. That is why John Kerry is still a player in the next election, because even if people didn't learn to like him, they got to know him and given another long campaign they will know him better.

In the end a few people in the middle just decided to go with the known evil of W instead of taking a chance. The relentless Rove attacks created just enough doubt that was not successfully overcome. Lessons have been learned and the Kerry people started working on their 2008 battle plan the day after the election when they chose to bow out gracefully. A lesson learned from the Gore debacle.

At 7/12/2005 4:56 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Ah LL... your comments, while suspect, are thought provoking and interesting. However, it is with a mixture of amusement and concern that I caution you to get some counseling to get over this difficult breakup with Kerry.

I know that once you're in love with someone, it's difficult to face the music when there's no music left, and the temptation to cope by wrapping oneself in the warm blanket of denial often proves too strong to resist.

But you're heading straight for another crushing letdown if you persist in your unrealistic romantic notions about JFK.

The guy is going nowhere. Nor should he.

Americans by the millions firmly held their noses and voted Kerry. But they were votes AGAINST George Bush. You make a serious mistake in thinking they were actually voting FOR Kerry.

I myself would have voted for a potted ficus if it was running against Bush.

I tried so hard to be in love with Kerry. As it happened, it gave me the creeps to even think of holding his hand.

John F. Kerry. Soldier. Senator. Losing 2004 presidential candidate. Senator. Period. End of story.

I just hate to stand by and watch you get left at the alter again. You need some tough love.

At 7/12/2005 9:57 AM, Blogger diehard said...

I think the next President will be a Democrat. But I suspect ther will be more terror attacks closer to the Presidental election. Depending on when Karl picks up the phone to his Saudi buddies!

At 7/12/2005 10:48 AM, Blogger thesof said...

that's a funny picture :D

At 7/12/2005 4:14 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Yeah.. that's about as young a Republican as you can find.

At 7/13/2005 7:04 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Don't laugh. Rove and Co may have found a way to generate some votes at the polls from the south of 20 age crowd.....

Perhaps that's why the lines were so long in Ohio last fall??

At 7/13/2005 10:36 AM, Blogger diehard said...

We'll when your that age you don't know sh-t! It makes sense that they would be picking up voters in that age group.
Why do you think the military targets recruitment to that age group?

At 7/13/2005 2:12 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

I don't think anyone should count John Kerry out. He has a national team, a national network and an enormous fundraising capacity.

But there may be others out there and good Democrats need to take a look at them all.

One fact is clear: if Dems don't appeal to the red and purple counties throughout the USA Dems will wake up in November 2008 with yet another loss.

At 7/13/2005 8:54 PM, Blogger LL Cool T said...

political wind you are right on. I just did a quick analysis of the county by county vote in the Illinois 2004 Presidential Race. John Kerry won only 1 (ONE)county with more than 60% of the vote and you guessed it that was Cook County. Bush won 44 counties with greater than 60% of the vote and 6 of those were over 70%. The other 57 counties were less than 60% for the winner and Kerry won 13 of those counties and Bush won 44.

We have to not write off these counties and work harder to lower our margin of loss and continue to increase our margins in the Democratic counties. Some of the republican stronghold counties share the exact same demographics as democratic counties and they vote republican because we have failed as a party to do our job. Every vote counts the same no matter where it is cast and we need to stop writing off these areas.

The State of Iowa's electoral votes were decided by only 9,158 votes in favor of Bush. Somehow Bush achieved a margin of 11,970 in Sioux County Iowa winning 14,229-2,259 or 86% to 14%. It is so out of line I suspect fraud, I have no other explanation. Just like some of the counties in Ohio with outrageous margins and vote totals. They have to cheat to win.

We need to go directly after what they think is their base and win back rural Illinois and Iowa. We spend our time and money to GOTV the people we know will already vote for us, they spend their time and money beating the bushes (no pun intended, that is what we needed to do)in rural areas for more votes and increasing their margins because they have figured it out that one vote in the city counts the same as one vote in the country. They keep attacking our base in the cities and we have given up rural America. Let's get off our ass and take it back. Democrats are the friends of farmers and farm towns, the Republicans are the friends of WalMart and corporate farms that threaten the fabric of rural life. Democrats are for access to education and health care in rural communities, Republicans are for HMO's that force rural hospitals to close and have cut the grants and loans available to the middle class to allow rural kids to go to college. We need to spread the word and grow our democratic organization and get new, young blood into these county organizations run by do nothing county chairman. Until we get some leadership from the State Party we must rely on the grass roots to start working. A few very passionate people in each county can make a huge impact.


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