June 25, 2005

Get polled. It won't hurt a bit.

I've posted a poll in the sidebar. Go cast your vote. Let's see how it goes.

**UPDATE** I managed to mess up this first attempt at a poll by including someone who doesn't live in the district in the list. (DUH!) Consequently, I'm fixing that problem, which made it necessary to post a new poll, which means it's all starting from zero again. (Sorry about that.)

When I took the last poll down, Dennis Ahern had a commanding lead (200 and something votes) over second place Porter McNeil. I've also fixed a glitch that may have allowed some to vote more than once. That only works in Chicago. With people unable to game the system and vote repeatedly, it will be interesting to see if Ahern again piles up over 200 votes in a matter of hours when the average number of visits to the site in a 24 hour period is less than that.

So to those of you who had already voted, my apologies, but please vote again. And to those who hadn't, go vote.

I plan to post a similar poll with possible candidates for the 72nd District in the near future. (As well as others) So in the meantime, feel free to continue to suggest who should be included in that list. So far, we have Darrow and O'Brien, and of course, Vershoore.

41 Comments:

At 6/25/2005 9:12 AM, Blogger illinoisone said...

Dope,
I would like to nominate Pat O'Brien as a contender for future races of high profile. He's proved he has the skills recently in the Moline Mayor race in a highly republican town by a razor thin loss.

He has great name ID and lots of people like him for future offices.

I think you should re-do your poll list Dope.

 
At 6/25/2005 1:18 PM, Blogger none said...

dop if one is not careful, it automatically is pre-dotted in for the first candidate, and if you accidently hit the vote button, my computer does not let me vote again. All dots should have remained blank to begin with. Porter McNeil starts off with his already filled in. odds are he will win this poll.

 
At 6/25/2005 1:37 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Well, I can see I botched this first attempt at a poll. My apologies.

I wasn't aware that Darrow lived outside the district, so that's my error.

But I don't see the rationale of listing people who can't even run for the seat, no matter who they are.

At some time in the near future, I'll post a similar poll asking about potential candidates to challenge Pat Vershoore for the 72nd district.

I'm open to suggestions for potential candidates in that race.

 
At 6/25/2005 1:38 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

None,
I have no control over the first name on the list being already filled in.

It would be that way no matter who appeared first on the list.

I trust that no one will just click to vote without first making sure that their guy's (or gal's) circle is filled.

 
At 6/25/2005 1:48 PM, Blogger none said...

i almost did... when i went to hit view first. could have easily hit porter. my guy isnt on the list...
mike jacobs. he can hold two offices he is so talented...

 
At 6/25/2005 2:15 PM, Blogger illinoisone said...

None, or Mike Jacobs...

Constitutionally impossible to hold two offices much less file for two at once.

Can't be done stupid.

Read the law and get a clue. Great - if you are making our laws, we are lost....

 
At 6/25/2005 2:18 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dope, Mistakes on the list or not I think the poll is flawed from the start- or would be no matter what since it's not scientifically done as a normal poll.

We have seen Channel 8 do these web polls and they are not indicative of anything except for small pockets of people who may not even actually vote or live in the district being polled about....

 
At 6/25/2005 2:19 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

If you want to really have some fun, ask who wants to run against Mike Jacobs for Senate?

 
At 6/25/2005 2:23 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Oh and Dave, this one's for you:

I am busted - yes, I am a 10 year old girl attending an Ivy League School pursuing my Masters Degree. It is not as fun as the 5th Grade but I do have access to a lot of information and have some intelligent conversations with my classmates and the teachers. You must have some good spyware out there on your PC.

Yet you seem unable to master the primary reader they handed you a few years back. Good luck!!

 
At 6/25/2005 3:54 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Illinois one... you need to lighten up a bit... It seems obvious to me that None was having a little fun. Did you seriously think he was proposing that Jacobs hold two offices simultaneously?
Yikes!

And MS... please. Before you start pointing out that this isn't a "scientific poll", bear in mind that hopefully no one thinks it is.
(if they did, they'd be pretty damn stupid.)

Obviously, this poll doesn't have a representitive, completely random sample adjusted for demographics and party preference, etc. etc. etc.

It's just a poll that allows people who visit this site to vote once for who they prefer. Period. Not too complex. Take it for what it is. The results aren't going to be published in the newspaper or broadcast on the news.

If anything skews the vote, it will be those on the list contacting every live human being with a computer and grovelling for votes. It just shows who can go out and beg for votes the most effectively.

Another interesting tid-bit. Within perhaps 5 minutes of my posting the amended poll, Dennis Ahern already had 4 votes! They're out there laying in wait. ha!

And None... I take your point. It might be possible to accidently hit the vote button when trying to click the "view results" link.
But I'm thinking the incidents of that will be so small as to have little effect, if any. (and as I've said, I have no control over the way that works. Whomever was listed first would have that button filled in.)

 
At 6/25/2005 4:14 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

Thank you, Ms. Dope, for fixing the problem that made the first poll completely invalid. Your first poll allowed folks to vote as many as 50 times or more if they want, which explains the results for Ahern. Thanks for keeping such a close eye on voting integrity. You are to be commended.

 
At 6/25/2005 4:22 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Whoooah there little doggie. I have no idea, nor do you, if anyone voted multiple times. However, it is a bit hinky that Ahern amassed around 250 votes in a matter of hours when the average number of unique visitors to the site over a 24 hour period is less than that.

With the glitch fixed, this go-round should be an accurate reflection of one vote per person.

My advise to everyone? Vote. Sit back, relax, and we'll see what happens.

 
At 6/25/2005 4:41 PM, Blogger latinv said...

I received a call from Aherns campaign telling me to go vote so I did. Now I have to do it again?
at least he is working it. Hope he does well again. Rememeber Aherns have a dozen kids, all with husbands and wifes, and kids, Would not surprise me if they kick the machine in again.

 
At 6/25/2005 5:35 PM, Blogger LL Cool T said...

All you had to do to vote multiple times was close your web browser and delete your cookies and then go back and vote again. This process did not work on this poll, I will let you know when i find the work around to keep voting on this new poll.

 
At 6/25/2005 6:01 PM, Blogger none said...

no wonder aherns winning the poll again, didnt they work for dick leibovitz and isnt he our county clerk. they have access to all kinds of voter logs. i am sure they work the cemeterys on election day too

 
At 6/25/2005 7:34 PM, Blogger jklmoline said...

Experience, dedication and involvement are what we need!
I only see one person on your poll who has worked with the state legislature and the extensive knowledge and understanding that it takes to make change in our district.

He has young children in the public school system, a parent in need of health care and Social Security benefits. And every day he sends his children off to school, he trusts that they are safe. Every day we see increasing drug and violence in our community which always is a concern.

There is only one candidate who has the dedication, experience and personal investment in our district, and that candidate is: PORTER McNEIL

 
At 6/25/2005 7:38 PM, Blogger Dave said...

Hey, is that a list of dumbasses? Put Durbin on it.

 
At 6/25/2005 9:46 PM, Blogger youngdem503 said...

I agree with jkl, Porter McNeil would be our(Democrat's) best shot if Boland opts for something else. While I do not worship the ground he walks on, Porter seems to be a pretty decent charater and best of all people like him. The voters showed in the previous election that the didn't much care for Dennis Ahren, even with the half-a-million Ahren childern voting.

 
At 6/25/2005 10:35 PM, Blogger youngridemocrat said...

I agree with the young Democrat who posted earlier. I worked with Porter McNeil when he ran the Kerry-Edwards' campaign in Illinois and he is a great guy with a great family. His work with Senator Barack Obama, Senator Dick Durbin, House Speaker Mike Madigan, Congressman Lane Evans, Denny & Mike Jacobs and others gives me solid confidence that he would be a great state rep for our party.

He's genuine, real and passionate about our party, too.

 
At 6/26/2005 5:54 AM, Blogger none said...

nice poll dope. i go to bed and see porter mcneil gets over 250 votes in the middle of the night?
doubt it...

 
At 6/26/2005 8:47 AM, Blogger LL Cool T said...

in response to none. I did not find a way to manipulate this poll by voting more than once. What happened is that Porter McNeil has developed an extensive network because of his long term support of the Democratic party and called on this network to vote in the poll. This is the network that Porter will be able to call upon to serve our community when he becomes our next State Rep. This poll proves that Porter has a broad base of support. it is not a reflection of voter attitudes.

In case you didn't know how Dope controlled the voting, she has a software program that identifies and records your computers Internet Protocol (IP) address and only allows the IP address to vote once. Much more powerful security than depositing a cookie onto your computer. This technology also allows Dope to know what internet provider and possibly the town you are logging in from.

 
At 6/26/2005 8:49 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Must be all those McNeil supporters in Australia, best as I can figure.

The poll was not supposed to allow multiple voting from one computer.

Has anyone been allowed to vote more than once?

If it appears that this poll has been hacked as well, I'll have to do some further research and testing and see if I can find a more secure poll program with no holes in it.

 
At 6/26/2005 9:09 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

LL, you're letting your natural paranoia get out of hand. I don't know crap about who's posting here, and I certainly can't identify them.

That poll program is a single line of code that they provide and I paste into the code of my page. It's a java applet, so I don't get any "reports of IP addresses" or anything of the sort.

Here's the URL of the place I got the poll. Does it say anything about a "powerful program" that identifies voters? Put one up yourself and you'll see that it doesn't give you any info other than the same poll results everyone else can see.

http://www.blogpoll.com/index.php?action=build&step=1

You appear to present yourself as being knowledgeble about computer stuff, yet you didn't bother clicking on the "powered by blogpoll" link on the poll which would take you to the link above and you could actually figure out the truth?

Relax. Quit inventing stuff to scare people. It really sucks, especially when you don't know what you're talking about. What kind of boob makes a statement of fact when they're just taking a wild ass guess?

Based on that alone I can probably identify you, but I don't need an IP address to do it.

(But I do know where you live, where you work, how much money you have in the bank, all about that embarassing medical condition, and ... I know what you did last summer.) =insert scary music here=

 
At 6/26/2005 9:13 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Sorry chickens. Here is the scoop - Even if Dope had your IP address, he could not learn any more with that detail than possibly your internet service provider and that would be hard to figure. He could not learn any more personal stuff about you without your ISP then telling him at his request (which they would not --due to privacy laws) who their customer is and where he/she lives.

So the idea the dope can look into your computer is hogwash.

Today's phishing and spyware stuff only gets the ability to send you mass emails using your IP address -- a series of numbers and dots. They have no idea who you are - just how to ping your PC from cyberspace.

Multi-voting is possible if you have numerous PCs in your home though -- and many do with today's easy networking at home.

So I guess the poll remains skewed and it's only for fun. Let's hope none of the candidates takes any of this seriously.

 
At 6/26/2005 10:19 AM, Blogger youngridemocrat said...

Yeah Porter!

We got the young people to vote for you out here in RI County!

 
At 6/26/2005 10:54 AM, Blogger Dissenter said...

I just voted twice. So it must not be working as planned.

In any event, is Porter McNeil a contender? Her is my reason for asking: I attend an awful lot of political activities, and I associate with a lot of hacks (as I am sure many of you do). Dennis Ahern is sure out there. So is Mike Boland. Steve Haring for the Republicans is also very active. But where is Porter McNeil? I hear a lot of great things about the guy, and I am not being critical. I am just wondering why he is not out there. Is he not running, or is he just waiting too long?

 
At 6/26/2005 1:20 PM, Blogger LL Cool T said...

Dope I only meant to suggest that multiple voting in this poll was controlled by IP address and not that you, the Dope were keeping track of who voted. But be aware you anonymous bloggers out there, software is available to log the IP address of people who visit websites and the IP address can be identified with the internet provider that owns the IP address. This technology is utilized by many blogs, including the capitolfax blog.

Having you on record that you choose not to record IP addresses is a good thing and I did not mean to suggest that you were in fact doing such a thing, only that it was possible. By the way, I did visit blogpoll's website to learn how to set up this poll. Sorry I stated that you had more control over the poll by suggesting that your personal software and not the poll's software logged IP addresses. I did not intend to accuse you of any manipulation of this poll. I was trying to shed light on the legitimacy of the poll and how multiple voting could occur or be restricted. Please accept my apology.

 
At 6/26/2005 2:07 PM, Blogger youngridemocrat said...

Hey Dissenter,

Just keep your eyes open, McNeil is everywhere. I've never seen a guy network the district as aggressively as he has the past ten years.

Last night I saw him hanging out with Lane Evans and others at a party, and last week I saw him at some Jacobs events. He gets around.

 
At 6/26/2005 3:02 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Thanks LL... sorry if I came down on you a little harshly. But I don't want people getting it into their heads that I'm sitting here with my mysterious and powerful internet gizmos and tracking their identities.

And while it's possible for some tracking apps to log the IP addresses of people, that really doesn't mean a lot.
How identifiable is it if it shows that someone visited the site who was on Mediacom? Or AT&T? It's meaningless. There are so many millions of people on millions of ISPs that knowing which provider a visitor is using is like finding out someone visited the site from the midwest, say, or perhaps from Europe. Way too generalized to be of any use, and impossible to identify any individuals.

And why take the time it would take to try to monitor all that? Not worth it.

 
At 6/26/2005 3:06 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

P.S. Yesterday the site showed a total of 299 unique vistors. (this means that it doesn't count the same person twice if they visit more than once.)

I'm sure the hell not going to bother looking to see which ISP they all use. It would be a waste of time and reveal nothing.

 
At 6/26/2005 5:50 PM, Blogger youngridemocrat said...

Hey Dissenter, I just thought of something you should know about McNeil. Not only does he attend about 99% of the Democratic Party events in the area, but he travels around the state a fair amount. I know that when he ran the Illinois Kerry-Edwards campaign he had to spent a lot of time on the road for the campaign (not to mention time in Iowa because it was close).

Anyway, I am writing to assure you "Dissenter" that McNeil is just about everywhere so you're sure to run into him soon!

 
At 6/26/2005 5:52 PM, Blogger youngridemocrat said...

I think what this INSIDE DOPE poll shows is that there are two potential candidates with very strong appeal -- Porter McNeil and Dennis Ahern. We need them in our party!

 
At 6/26/2005 6:16 PM, Blogger LL Cool T said...

Has Dennis Ahern ever walked a precinct, made phone calls or worked for any Democratic candidate besides himself? I know his family has been involved, but what candidate has he ever helped out. I never heard of the guy until he ran against Boland. Porter McNeil has worked the campaign trail at the local, state and national levels and has worked as a full time staffer for Speaker Madigan in Springfield. Ahern's resume is that he ran against Mike Boland and got his butt kicked. Time for a more rounded candidate who offers the Quad Cities a more effective voice in Springfield instead of just a different one. As ineffective as Boland represents us in Springfield, Ahern offers us nothing more and probably much less. Porter, on the other hand has many doors open to him in Springfield and Washington that will vastly improve our position over an over the hill Boland who should take his five pensions and retire while he is still in relatively good health and enjoy his family.

 
At 6/27/2005 5:55 AM, Blogger latinv said...

LL- yeah your right Ahern has never helped anyone. Not Tom Kilbride, Tom Lytton, Peg Breslin, Dick Leibovitz, Marilyn Esslinger, his own father, Casey Stengel, to name just a few here in RI County. Oh yeah, Denny Jacobs too. No Ahern has never licked a stamp, walked a precinct, stuffed an envelpope, made phone calls, chauffered denny jacobs around the state for SOS, participated with the dems on the GOTV, been a preceint committe person for 2 differnet precincts. Yeah, he's never helped out anyone....

get real LL. Ahern is just as viable a candidate as McNeil. Let the two run against each other. Support your guy, but don't blast the other...

 
At 6/27/2005 11:55 AM, Blogger diehard said...

I would like to see Mcneil run for state rep. At least he has reasons that he should have the job.
The other people, and I'm not slamming anyone just don't seem too compeling!

 
At 6/27/2005 1:18 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

I can't wait for the "Inside Dope's" poll on the 72nd House district. If Rep. Pat Verschoore leaves in 2-4 years, which Democrat will get my support.
Pretty easy for me: Pat O' Brien.

 
At 6/27/2005 3:26 PM, Blogger DownLeft said...

youngridemocrat you should know that Porter McNeil didn't "run" the Kerry-Edwards campaign in Illinois. He was on the staff and did a great job, but the state director was Avis Lavelle in Chicago.

That said, Porter does have a hell of a lot of connections around the state that will come in very handy. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone who has enough political experience and can raise enough money to win with or without Mike Madigan's help?

 
At 6/28/2005 6:20 PM, Blogger none said...

why is it "hinky" political wind and dope that ahern got 200 votes in hours, and yet mcneil gets 250 plus votes in less than one hour, and that is due to his "extensive political network"? i hope all you supposed good democrats know you are pushing these two against each other...

 
At 7/03/2005 9:02 AM, Blogger RamblerFan said...

I may not know very much about politics, but I do know a little about Dennis Ahern. Why? Because I have been his daughter for almost 18 years now.
My father works hard for the Democratic party from what I have seen. Maybe I haven's seen too much though, in only 18 years. I have only witnessed years of collecting signs for candidates after election day in his pick-up truck, marching in various parades sporting T-shirts and bearing signs for Dick Leibovitz and Denny Jacobs (oh yeah, and himself), attending and dragging me to various dinners and fundraisers instead of family celebrations just to get OTHER people's names out, just to name a few things.
If you think Dennis Ahern hasn't done anything but help himself, you indeed are as ignorant about him as his 18 year old child is about politics.
Every politician has to start somewhere and my father seems to have a pretty good grasp on the Democratic party. If you get all worked up about an online poll, maybe you need to get a good grasp on reality.

 
At 7/03/2005 5:04 PM, Blogger none said...

rambler-maybe your dad should have told you not to take politics so personal. besides, your dad ran a gotv, like mcniel, he must have thought it was important

 
At 7/04/2005 10:25 AM, Blogger theheadusher said...

None,

What kind of monster launches a personal attack against an 18-year old girl? All she was trying to do was defend her father's honor! I guess in your shallow world None, that's a mortal sin!

It's clear that None, Maybesomeday, Rope-a-Dope, Illinoisone are all the same person --- Mike "Squish" Boland.

 

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