June 22, 2005

A country gone nuts

Words can't describe how truly stupid this is.

The House on Wednesday approved a constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to ban desecration of the American flag, a measure that for the first time stands a chance of passing the Senate as well.

By a 286-130 vote _ eight more than needed _ House members approved the amendment after a debate over whether such a ban would uphold or run afoul of the Constitution's free-speech protections.

Approval of two-thirds of the lawmakers present was required to send the bill on to the Senate, where activists on both sides say it stands the best chance of passage in years. If the amendment is approved in that chamber by a two-thirds vote, it would then move to the states for ratification.

Supporters said the measure reflected patriotism that deepened after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, and they accused detractors of being out of touch with public sentiment.

"Ask the men and women who stood on top of the (World) Trade Center," said Rep. Randy (Duke) Cunningham, R-Calif. "Ask them and they will tell you: pass this amendment."

But Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., said, "If the flag needs protection at all, it needs protection from members of Congress who value the symbol more than the freedoms that the flag represents."
"Ask the people who stood on top of the World Trade Center"???!!! WTF??

Oh.. maybe he meant the RUBBLE of the World Trade Center... Ahhhhh. I guess THEY get to decide whether we should play around with the constitution and which rights should be tossed out the window. Now I get it.

I for one, will feel much safer here in America once I know that the 3 people a year who burn flags are sent to prison.

Will the last person to leave America as we knew it please turn out the lights?


At 6/22/2005 4:54 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

This is what our Republican majority boils down to -- poll-driven pandering to the right wing about issues that don't really matter. You would think they might care about dealing with the largest deficit in US history? You would think they would care about job creation? You would think they would focus on our health care crisis in cost and access?

No -- let's spend time on the issue of flag desecration. But don't you dare criticize them for this issue. They'll push the green button on the right wing hot air machine and we'll all be apologizing soon.

It's all pretty disheartening for Americans like me that are sick and tired of inaction on the deficit crisis -- and let's not forget, a deficit is the most cruel type of tax we have out there.

At 6/22/2005 6:20 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Well spoken P-Wind. However, the Republicans are master spin artists. Keep you eye on the ball!!

At 6/22/2005 6:32 PM, Blogger illinoisone said...

Boy this matter is way more important than the anti-lynching legislation and the other stuff pending where the Congress pretends to know more about matters medical than our Doctors and inserts the Bible into our daily lives whether we want it or not.

Yeah, I bet Grassley won't miss this one.

At 6/22/2005 8:16 PM, Blogger Dave said...

Hey how about that Durbin apology.

At 6/22/2005 8:17 PM, Blogger Dave said...

Weak kneed little cry baby.

At 6/22/2005 9:39 PM, Blogger Iowa Libertarian said...

My God. They act like they don't know the difference between the symbol of a thing andthe thing itself. As a consequence, they're going to destroy the thing to protect the mere symbol. Jefferson would.... well.... he'd do a lot more than just blog about it.

At 6/22/2005 10:01 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

Hey dave & maybesomeday -

I think Senator Durbin, who fights like hell for Illinois jobs and does an excellent job at it, did the right thing. We all know what he was trying to say, that America should not accept American soldiers behaving poorly, but he went too far.

Hey, that's OK, we all make mistakes. It takes a real man to apologize and accept the responsibilities.

Don't you wish Bush and Cheney would be real men, instead of partisan political hacks, and accept some responsibility for their failed policy in Iraq and their outrageous federal deficit, the largest in US history. Where is the outrage about that?

This gov't is all GOP. It's their program. And we've never had more problems than we do now.

Now that's what we all ought to be stirred up about.

Go read the "Right Wing Noise Machine" and you'll understand.
Conservatives have a very disciplined pr machine that goes on the attack at the slightest criticism.

They're not like Democrats, who welcome internal debate, who welcome their own party to challenge each other.

At 6/22/2005 11:01 PM, Blogger Dave said...

Outrage is overrated. Stirred up about losing elections. You're a sore loser. Your hate America party will continue to lose until they learn the US is the best country ever, that's for you pol...wind and iowa, I have no idea what the hell your talking about

At 6/22/2005 11:12 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

For Dave,

You've got it completely backwards: I love my country and am full of pride about our soldiers. But that love and patriotism I feel gives me the ability to challenge authority, which I do when Democrats and Republicans are in the White House.

I'll bet you were one of those handwringers when Bill Clinton was in the White House? I'll bet you listen to Rush Limbaugh who spent billions of hours trashing President Clinton. Did that make you part of the "hate america" party then?

See, now that the shoe is on the other foot your spin is completely different. Criticizing the President is unpatriotic, but during the Clinton-Gore era that was celebrated.

I'm sick and tired of huge deficits, but I challenge my government's fiscal irresponsibility because I have children who I don't want soaked with taxes and deficits brought on by this irresonsible, big government administration.

That's my right. That's patriotism.
Just as it's your right to criticize Democrats, but that doesn't make you or me less patriotic or less in love with America.

Don't confuse that issue, but I welcome you on this blog to help give this site some balance.

At 6/23/2005 1:04 AM, Blogger Rawk Eyelund said...

The nuts who are in favor of ruining our constitution to protect a piece of cloth not only don't understand or appreciate the first ammendment, they don't understand the first commandment! This is idolatry, pure and simple.

At 6/23/2005 2:36 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Rawk, I'd go you one further and state that they don't understand America or the constitution itself. They certainly have no respect whatsoever for the freedoms the constitution bestows on us and why that has made this the greatest country on earth.

As our resident Ditto-head Dave apes the line of the right that liberals "hate America", I would point out that these Bozos that want to tinker with the sacred Constitution over a STUPID ASS thing like this demonstrate that they have absolutely NO respect for the document whatsoever.

They treat it like so much trash by supposeing that they can march off on this patently shallow and purely partisan political issue and pervert the greatest government document every written.

It shows clearly that they have absolutely no hesitation, no second thoughts, about literally trying to change the very core rights and liberties guaranteed by the constitution.

It's as if a bunch of drunks at the VFW, relying on chest-thumpnig false patriotism to avoid having to actually think, staggered to their feet and marched to the National Archives, broke open the glass case housing the contstution, and started crossing out shit they didn't like and adding what they wanted with a Bic pen.

These jackasses who support this are nothing but vandals who want to deface the document so many have gladly laid down their lives for.

And make no mistake, this is about more than the flag and if someone wears it on their bikini (though even legally this proposal is a joke.) It's about establishing a precident for amending the constitution willy-nilly as whatever current passion dictates. What's next? What other rights will they say need to go?

These people aren't merely stupid, they're truly dangerous.

At 6/23/2005 11:12 AM, Blogger diehard said...

What Dave said is indicative of the ol Republican Double cross! Lets beat the crap out of you for not agreeing with us. Then when you agree with us we call you a weak kneed little wimp. I don't know kinda like THE NAZI"S!
So the moral of the story is never trust a Republican! Count the silverware before these miserable bas-- leave or in Dick Cheney's case lead us into Iraq. And once that disaterous policy is implemented with no exit strategy attack everyone by invoking [our brave men and women in the military] for God's sake dont say anything against the American military. They are pure and have God on their side!
you know with an all volunteer military we would have to assume that they wanted to be in the military.

At 6/23/2005 12:55 PM, Blogger diehard said...

The American people have desecrated our constitution by electing Bush that one time that he got elected,
i think he was elected that time?

At 6/23/2005 4:16 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

As long as we've discussed Durbin's apology, let's talk about other apologies we're waiting for.
Where is the President's apology for sending our deficit to Mars in his 5 years (after inheriting a SURPLUS from Clinton-Gore)? Where is the apology from Rice and Cheney for not having an exit strategy from Iraq? Where is the apology from Frist and DeLay for shooting the deficit to Mars (see Bush)?

That's leadership, standing up to the plate to accept responsibility.
That's what a man does, that's what Durbin did this week, and that is what Rumsfeld has done twice (offered his resignation to Bush twice because he knows he's failed on the war).

How refreshing. But, no, we've got an administration that rejects challenge and responsibility.

At 6/24/2005 6:45 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Ok Chickens, hold your breath now. Reports are saying today that Reinquist is soon to step down due to illness and a new Chief Justice appointed soon.

Then the Chimperor gets to nominate someone to join the club and fill the seat - and the Senate has made deals to give el Chimperor what he wants. I sure hope they fillibuster one more time though.

Sadly, we may see the Constitution totally re-written in our lifetime to read much like the Bible. Yikes!

At 6/24/2005 8:45 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Comon Dope, no comment here - you are slippin.


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