June 25, 2005

Bush desecrates flag, supports amending constitution to ban flag desecration

If his rabid soulmates in the House had succeeded in ammending the constitution to ban flag desecration, as they're now poised to do, the Chimp might be in "deep doo-doo", as Poppy might say.

Yep, no doubt about it, the right wing Daves of the world go for Bush because he's SOOOOOO patriotic. If this had been Kerry, just imagine the screaming coniption fit the right would have thrown. They'd be marching with torches and wanting to throw Kerry in prison for treason.


At 6/25/2005 9:00 AM, Blogger Dave said...

Hey Dope

My Constitutional Ammendment would not stop you from burning the flag. It would make it legal for Joe Average Cititzen to kick your ass for doing it tho.

At 6/25/2005 9:02 AM, Blogger Dave said...

Also, I am flattered on a daily basis that my name is included in the body of your blogs. You must get tierd of diehard and maybesomeday being spineless "yes" men.

At 6/25/2005 9:03 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dave again does not get it. Never will. Dave, did you drink the bong water or what?

The Prez does not have a clue - especially since he thinks he is God or something.

If he thinks at all and that's a big stretch --most of what he does is fed and programmed by others except of course his primal instincts.

So sad.

At 6/25/2005 9:05 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dave, how do you know I am a man? How do you know I am not some 10 year old kid maybe even a girl?

How do you know anything? I will answer it - you don't!

At 6/25/2005 9:45 AM, Blogger diehard said...

I get a kick, no pun intended, out of people like you.
You associate patrotisim with masculinity. I think you watched too many war movies when you were a kid.

At 6/25/2005 11:53 AM, Blogger Dave said...

Yes man is just a figure of speech.
Don't get all bent out of shape, although you being a 10 year old girl would expain alot about how naive you are.

What does it mean to burn the flag, Diehard?

At 6/25/2005 1:32 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Well Dave, you should be flattered. You get to represent all the ditto-heads out there that want to lead the country back to the time of the crusades. No wonder you're flattered.

And would your amendment allow me to beat you into a grease spot when you try to kick my ass?

Does it allow me to visit your hospital room and throw a burning flag on you while you're in traction?

And Dave, if that's your proposal, why not bring back lynch mobs? After all, if you're going to justify irrational violence over someone burning a symbol, why not just make it legal to beat, maim, or murder anyone who does anything that offends you?

You're a peach my man.

We should all pray to God that your line of reasoning isn't followed.

But to your credit, I detect that even you realize how dopey and out there right wing ideas and proposals are. I think you just enjoy tweaking the other side.
That's cool. Whatever tickles your pickle.

At 6/25/2005 4:27 PM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

Look, Turd Ferguson, sure the flag burning amendment is silly... but so is whining about it. From either side. Funny some propaganda filled cupcake like you would have the balls, (or snatch... if you are a 10 year-old girl), to call Dave a dittohead based on your freak-assed hippy reading list.

At 6/25/2005 4:31 PM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

I mean, really, enough with the slippery slope crap. There are just some Republicans out there who would prefer a bunch of worthless hippies and college students have some god-damned respect and not burn flags. There is nothing ominous about it. If you think the freedom of speech is absolute, go into a bar and yell, "nigger".

At 6/25/2005 6:14 PM, Blogger Yellow Dog Democrat said...

What a load of horse-doo-doo. I bet all the Flag-lovers on this site weren't even pitching Old Glory on Flag Day.

Truth is, you really don't care about the Flag that much. What you object to is the criticism of our country's leadership. You'd be just as bent out of shape if they were burning flag look-alikes, or effigies of the President.

Ever notice how few flags are burned when Democrats are in the WHite House? That's because you don't have to burn a flag to get a Democrats' attention.

Too bad you don't get nearly as worked up when thousands of U.S. soldiers are killed and tens of thousands injured when we decide to invade a country on a wild goose chase for WMD because somebody's idea of reliable intelligence is being told what they want to hear.

At 6/25/2005 6:16 PM, Blogger Yellow Dog Democrat said...

By the way, great photo. You going to kick the President's behind for desecrating the flag Dave, or are you just another all-talk, no-show right wing hypocrite? Thought so.

At 6/25/2005 7:32 PM, Blogger Dave said...

The Stars and Stripes fly everyday here at Dave's house, yellow belly, and below it the US Navy flag. I don't think we should have the damn ammendment.

By your question you reveal what a dunbass you actually are. The flag doesn't represent the Pres. Flags don't burn when democrats are in the WH, because democrats are the ones burning the flags. Stinky hippie USA hatin' yip yip yahoo good time rock n rollers.

Flag is a symbol just as a grave marker is. Would it piss you off if someone took big ass dookey on your mom's or grandma or dad or Clinton's grave?

Here's The Soldier read it:

It's the soldier not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the press.

It's the soldier not the poet who gives you the freedom of speech.

It's the soldier not the campus organizer who allows you to demonstrate.

It's the soldier, who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin is draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!!

Now get outside and burn the damn flag if you must, but do it in your front yard for all to see, you cowardly little shits.

Props out to Mr Badass for the back up.

At 6/25/2005 8:16 PM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

It amazes me that we live in a country where a bunch of democrats wet their panties because they heard a soldier might have flushed a Koran down the toilet, but are outraged at the idea of banning flag burning.

Again, I do not believe in the amendment, but let's be honest, where in this country could you burn anything without it being illegal? I can't even burn leaves in my own goddamned yard. That's oppression, you hippy bitches.

Anyway, to my point: Not treating the Koran with the respect some wacko terrorist believes it should be handled is considered "torture", but burning a flag, an action that spits in the face of the brave soldiers who have fought for us is "free speech". You wingdings just suck.

At 6/25/2005 11:29 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Keep talking rancidass, you're proving what a bunch of bitter, angry white morons you righties are.
Pissed because you never got anywhere, pissed because the wife hates you and your kids dont' respect you, pissed because of your own inadequacies you take the easy stupid way out, the path of least resistence for your already over burdened brain, namely, you start hating people. Whole groups of people. You put them in catagories and just let your hate fester.
They're the ones that have caused you to be a colossal loser, their the ones responsible for the fact that your life is meaningless and sucks like a black hole.

Keep hating assboil. It's good for your health. You'll probably keel over any day from a stress induced chest-grabber.

At 6/25/2005 11:41 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

And if both of you wing-nuts out there are against the amendment, then why are you coming here to grace us with your oh-so-tough BS?

Don't get it. Seems like we're on the same side on this one.

Guess you just couldn't resist taking your ignorant potshots at "hippies" and all those other people who you're afraid are out there enjoying their lives while you are treated like a rented mule by everyone in your life.

Get over it. You were the ones that chose to be like you are. Don't get pissed at those that didn't end up like you.

Not everyone believes that the solution to all our problems is to let the father take out the belt and beat the shit out of their kids.
That's the idea that you losers take to extremes and try to apply to the country's policies as a whole.
It's a loser.
Everyone knows that this country and this world are better off with more positive actions. Simply killing or punishing people isn't always the answer.

As to your sissy whining about your not being able to burn leaves, since you're mental powers fail you so often, I'll explain.

Smoke from your leaves don't stay on your property. And when there's a thousand other people burning them at the same time on a hot still day, it forces everyone to breath smoke whether they want to or not.
This includes people with respiratory conditions which this causes great discomfort and health risks. (not to mention adding a few hundred tons of polutants to the air.)

Burning a symbol that you choose to respect (which is just A-OK.. that you respect it) doesn't affect thousands of people. As a matter of fact, I challenge any of you assholes to tell me the last time you saw anyone burn a flag.

If you see it on TV and it pisses you off, deal with it. When I see maimed children in Iraq it pisses me off too. I'd love to amend the constitution to make THAT illegal. (which in truth the entire invasion probably is.)

Admit it guys, you just don't give a flying f*ck about anything except getting through your miserable lives with as little thought as necessary.

You couldn't care less about the larger good of society. You're convinced that people are no good and the only way to turn them into "good" people is to beat the piss out of them, abuse them, jail them, or bomb them.

You're just flat out nuts. That shit hasn't worked for a long time. This isn't the dark ages. And some of us resent you're trying to drag us back there.

At 6/26/2005 12:15 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Senor Sadass writes: "If you think the freedom of speech is absolute, go into a bar and yell, "nigger"."

Why is it that I get the distinct impression that you're a bit pissed that you can't do just that?

Or, are you telling us from experience?

You're well schooled in the dishonest tactic of putting words in your opponent's mouth. No one said freedom of speech is absolute. And as a matter of fact, if you're so inclined, you're welcome to "go into a bar and yell "Nigger", if you feel like it. There's no law against stupidity. Hell, I'd be more than happy to drive you to a few clubs I know in west Rock Island and let you do just what you propose. You won't get arrested, I promise.

Limits on speech are extremely narrow, and rightly so. It must directly cause the threat of immediate harm to others. The typical illustration is yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre.

Burning a flag doesn't even come close.

And besides, you agree that the idea of amending the constitution to ban flag desecration (maybe keep that monkey Bush from writing on it) is a flat out stupid and unwise idea, right?

At 6/26/2005 7:44 AM, Blogger Dave said...

As Pee-Wee once said, " I know you are, but what am I"

Your logic and agrumentative skills reflect that of your heros Al Franken and Micheal Moore.

What is the immediate harm to others of Mr Badass' example of yelling "nigger", except to the person yelling it.

Everyone that disagrees with you is white racist warmonger. Your sole motivation is a hatred for George Bush. Throw a rock in a pack of dogs and the one that barks loudest is the one you hit.
You've been hit hippie want-a-be.
Old Glory can take the heat from haters like yourself who want to burn the flag, want the right to do so, but don't have the guts to.

do you view the insurgents as your spokesman Moore does? You know the guys who kidnap and murder aid workers, hack the heads off foreigners, load Down's syndrome youths up with explosives and send them off to detonate in shopping markets as "Iraq's Minutemen"?

Now I gotta get to church.

At 6/26/2005 8:45 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Dave, you're a lying sack of shit. Go ahead and make shit up. Put words in people's mouths that they never said, try to imagine what sort of person they are based on your pitifully limited life experience, then go to church.
You're probably a deacon at the Church of the Poison Mind.

At 6/26/2005 9:00 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

So much bitterness laced with loads of ingorance.

Wow, too bad folks don't get as worked up about this ridiculous war where our young people are used like disposable pawns!

As long as the current rulers can continue to mask facts with their shell game and hide the truth, no one stands up to make a difference.

If one does, as Dick Durbin did, then you get crucified and the Daves of the world are standing there cheering it on...

How totally ignorant.

At 6/26/2005 9:11 AM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

Jesus Christ, Dopey! Don't you ever sleep?

Yes, we all agree that the amendment is a bad idea. I just don't think it is "stupid" because I respect the reasoning behind those who support it. You seem to think it is because they don't want to confront the horrors of the world.

You accuse me of putting words in your mouth... but then go on to make some pretty brash assertions about my professional and personal life. In my experience, successful private sector people tend to see things a lot closer to the way I do and all who share my opinions are not toothless truck drivin' sister bangers. I will make a pretty safe assertion about you: You are not in investment banking... you are a teacher, professor, state worker or welfare slave.

I don't need an excuse to take potshots at hippies... that just comes natural. And what makes my potshots "ignorant" while your detailed dissertation on all that is wrong with my life is somehow "informed"?

Oh, and "Church of the Poison Mind"? You are quite the drama queen, aren't you?

At 6/26/2005 9:22 AM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

Whoops. I forgot one other option for a profession that would make you so lefty wacko. You could very well be some trust fund kid... you know... the kind with Republican parents who has millions and considers everyone who doesn't as poor ignorant white trash. You really sound like one of those. That's the worst kind of hippy, too. Their wackiness is paid for by the sweat of those they hate.

At 6/26/2005 9:47 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Senor Fatass,
You really crack me up. "hippy"??!!
C'mon, admit it, you're really a much less likable version of Archie Bunker, right?

And yes, I'm fabulously well-to-do. As a matter of fact, you probably worked for me. So don't get all pissy at me. I know how much you support the party that hands out billions of dollars in welfare to wealthy business owners like myself. Hell, it's great to be alive during Bushtime. I pay less taxes than you do and make about 800 times as much! I make sure the laws are all written in a way that makes you and other schlubs pay and pay and pay while I get break after break after break.
YOU LOVE IT Senor Fatass. Otherwise you wouldn't allow them to use you like a dumbass by getting you all full of hate for gays etc. and get your stupid ass to vote them in so they can turn around and screw you and those like you to the wall.

Be a man.... just bend over and take what you voted for, and your kids and their kids too.

At 6/26/2005 9:48 AM, Blogger Dave said...

Last I saw Durbin, he was on the floor of the Senate crying like the little bitch he is, pretending to apologize.

At 6/26/2005 9:57 AM, Blogger Dave said...

Hey Dopey

So, your not a fan of Moore's?
Tell me what I lied about. Today, I again prayed that you leftie nut jobs never get control of this country. Seems to be going weel so far. Keep up the good work.

At 6/26/2005 10:46 AM, Blogger Dissenter said...

Since 1990, in the United States, there have been five reported cases of flag burning per year. Five. In a nation with a population exceeding 295,734,134, five reported cases per year. That means that 0.000000001% of Americans are doing it! WE ARE DEBATING AN ACT OF EXPRESSION PURSUED BY 0.000000001% of the nation per year!

Of course, I must concede that these numbers will probably jump, since people tend to do that which brings attention upon them, and the Republicans have brought tremendous national attention on this non-issue. So, thanks to Republicans, we will probably see a marked increase in flag-burning incidents.

A friend of mine, who is deeply entrenched in political business, suggested that when the flag-burning amendment is brought to the senate floor, those opposed to it should walk out. They should walk out for the purpose of attending a public meeting on the real issues affecting this nation. They should walk out, while telling Senators like Santorum, Frist, Delay and so many others, "Look, we are going to go work on solutions to national health care, social security, the Iraq War, while you work on this issue that affects no one. When you're done, let us know, and we'll come back."

I like that idea. I like it a great deal.

At 6/26/2005 11:03 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Senor, well then, I don't need an excuse to take potshots at ignorant uninformed cretins like yourself either.

And by the way, you can try to use your moronic little attempts to imply I'm not manly till you're blue in the face. You're the one who's hung up on being "manly", not I. I'm just fine with who I am. I don't have anything to prove.

And while we're at it, you took a stupid shot at suggesting I was one'a them there trust fund brats.

You mean like that skank Paris Hilton?

Well, thanks to your party, Paris now gets to save a few million dollars in inheritance tax.

The party you love so much has rushed to the aid of Hilton and all the other multi-millionaire heirs and heiresses who will never work a day in their lives, and have cried long and loud and finally suceeded in protecting those poor creatures.
Sure, your kids teachers have to pay for supplies out of their own pocket and stuff like band and art are being elimintated, but your guys came to the conclusion that fixing it so multi-millionaires don't have to pay taxes was a very TOP priority.
Your party felt it was more important than everything else.

Sure, now the government will be short a few billion dollars, but what the hell, right? Us trust fund guys and gals need to be protected.

Keep voting Republican guys. Till you can't stand it anymore. At least you won't have to worry about a non-existent flag-burner or some gay couple getting married someplace and wrecking your marriage.

You've all gone mad.

At 6/26/2005 11:05 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

And Dave....
I simply don't have time to list all your lies, distortions, and straw men. I've got things to meet and people to do.

I'll try to get to it later. It'll take a while to even list half of them.

At 6/26/2005 11:11 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

O... and Senor Ass, you need some therapy my man. Now you're acting out your hatred of anyone intellectual. Sounds like pre-war Germany or the purges in Russia and China.

Let us know when your next book burning is, will ya? I got a ton of Bill O'Reilly books that I picked up real cheap to use as mulch but I have a ton left over and I gotta do something with 'em.

At 6/26/2005 11:14 AM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

How am I acting out of hatred for anyone intellectual? You make no sense.

At 6/26/2005 11:17 AM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

Seriously... it is all up there in black and white. Copy and paste any of my comments that are "anti-intellectual".

At 6/26/2005 12:55 PM, Blogger Dave said...

Then just list one lie. Surely you have that kind of time.

At 6/26/2005 12:56 PM, Blogger Dave said...

Hey dissenter we already all agree it's a stupid ammendment. Now go lie down.

At 6/27/2005 7:01 AM, Blogger Dave said...

When forced to provide facts to back her statements, the Dope is no where to be found. She no doubt has more important things to do.

At 6/27/2005 11:48 AM, Blogger diehard said...

O.K. Dave and BadAss you love the military! We get the picture!
Were are these kids suppossed to work when they come home, Wal-Mart?
If we love America and these people that are stuck over in Iraq lets show them by improving standards fo workers and the envoirment here at home so there is a better America to come home to.
Something both Republicans and Democrats have fallen down on. Actually representing someone who can't contribute to your campaign.
I'm reading this blog and the Dope and you two are fighting it out. Meanwhile the congress and the president continue to make more laws, laws that dont include people like us!

At 6/27/2005 11:48 AM, Blogger diehard said...

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At 6/27/2005 11:51 AM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

I'm not sure what you mean by "laws that don't include people like us". Anyway, the best thing congress and the president can do is argue stupid crap like flag burning. This keeps them from doing anything else. As PJ O'Rourke once put it, "it's not about how government works... it how to make it stop.".
Specifically, what standards do you see that need improving? This is a genuine inquiry... not a smartassed rhetorical question.

At 6/27/2005 11:53 AM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

BTW. The PJ quote was paraphrased. Not that important, but don't want to be accused of saying the wrong thing. The same spirit was there... just said slightly differently. I'm not a liar... just forgot how exactly he phrased that particular thought.

At 6/27/2005 12:06 PM, Blogger diehard said...

The goverment does not give a shit about you or me badass! As long as we sit here and argue about Old Glory we are not asking questions like were is all the tax money going. Why has healthcare become a privlige? Why cant Johnny read?

At 6/27/2005 12:14 PM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

You make a good point. I believe, though, that arguing flag burning keeps them from creating any more spending or creating some more "rights" for which we have to foot the bill. I can argue flag-burning with Dope and Someday, but still keep my eye on the more important matters. Federal tax waste is quickly becoming as issue that only matters to the upper class. While those on this board accuse me of being ignorant, they post some nonsense about tax cuts costing me money. They cost me nothing, I barely pay federal income tax as it is. Neither do most of us. A couple, married filing jointly, with two children can make W-2 wages up to $42,000.00 without paying a penny. The effective tax rate for those same demographics doesn't reach 10% until about $105,000.00. This means that Joe and Jane sixpack only have a vested interest in the payout side of the tax equation... not the pay in. This scares me... not the inability to legally burn a flag.

At 6/27/2005 12:33 PM, Blogger diehard said...

I still think its them against us. Whether its George Bush or Joe Biden its abbout getting yurself elected and staying there at any cost. The hell with the people that can't help you reach that goal.
Unless of course you can blow smoke up their ass at election time and make the voters think that you give a shit about the flag, the right to life / pro choice, jobs, taxes any of it.
It's all secondary to getting re-elected!

At 6/27/2005 12:39 PM, Blogger texas QCer said...

Senor - good points, but what assumptions are you making on deductions? A modest mortgage, etc? A big concern of mine isn't so much related to my immediate tax bill, but how will we make up the shortfall in revenue when capital gains, corporate dividends, and inheritance taxes are reduced/eliminated.

These tax savings don't affect me at all, only companies and those that have enough spare cash to invest. The choices are to cut spending, which many times includes key programs, or to raise taxes on us in the middle.

Either way not too attractive.

At 6/27/2005 12:40 PM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

The lesser of two evils is still the lesser of two evils. If you got to eat a pile of turds... you might as well eat the small pile. The system is inherently flawed, but there is some danger in fixing any of the flaws. What are your ideas? As always, this is a genuine inquiry... not a smartassed rhetorical question.

At 6/27/2005 12:44 PM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

Texas (that's not Queer, is it? Sorry, I thought you were one of those "I am and proud of it types".) Anyway, the economics behind tax cuts has always been to increase gross receipts by spurring economic growth and creating a larger pie from which to take a smaller piece. This has been proven to work in the past. The problem is that it is almost impossible to grow receipts at the same rate as spending. That is why flag burning is a great subject for congress to debate. If they could debate if for about ten more years, we would end up with a budget surplus.

At 6/27/2005 1:01 PM, Blogger texas QCer said...

Senor - unfortunately, my strenghts lie in finding fault, not so much in offering solutions (I don't say that in an interview though)!

There has to some type of equitable solution that would maintain key programs and not increase the burden on the middle class. A flat tax has gotten my attention in the past, but I haven't really researched that enough to make much sense of it.

For example, here in Texas (I'm a transplant of the QC), there is no state income tax. The Legislature is proposing a reduction of property tax (which helps me) and an increase in sales tax. To me, this looks like a clear transfer of burden to people who can't afford to be homeowners.

I wish I knew how to fix it.

At 6/27/2005 2:00 PM, Blogger diehard said...

Thats funny the last time we had a surplus was before Bush was in the Whitehouse.

At 6/27/2005 2:34 PM, Blogger SENOR MF BADASS said...

Diehard. What caused the surplus?

At 6/27/2005 5:15 PM, Blogger politicalwind said...

Senor Badass,

If Ms. "Diehard" would allow me the floor, the surplus was brought about by an enormously successful period of economic expansion coupled with smart fiscal policies under the Clinton-Gore Administration. What we had was as Administration that inherited record deficits from the Bush-Quayle Administration, turn around and enact a tax on the top 2% of Americans coupled with new investments in technology, training and new economies. We also had a president, Clinton, who made the early tough decisions to bring down the deficit and expand the economy simultaneously.

I would give anything for the Clinton-Gore economy right now. Remember the good old days -- a balanced budget! 22 million new jobs in 8 years! 80,000 new cops on the beat and the lowest crime rates in 20 years! cuts in the federal bureaucracy to bring the size of the federal gov't to the smallest level since 1966!

And a surplus ... which Bill Clinton handed over to the new Bush-Cheney team.

Of course, we know what happened after that. This "conservative" Bush administration has turned into the biggest taxer and spender in US history.

Bring back the Democrats if you want a strong economy, balanced budgets and lower crime rates.


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