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I've noticed that the Republicans are finally getting bogged down in the tar pit of their own making, namely, the ridiculous rhetoric of so-called "social conservative" issues.
These issues have never made much sense, and amounted essentially to those with nothing better to do bitching and complaining and ranting about those who are different from themselves and trying mightily to shove these people into second class citizenship.
And of course, they're absolutely obsessed with what other's do in their bedroom.
Add to that the fatal effort to repeal legal abortions, and they were doomed from the start. The country simply isn't that religiously rigid, and most people, regardless of their feelings on these "hot button" issues, simply don't feel the country should be turned into a theocracy as many in power desperately desire.
Witness the recent Republican debate where they came out of the chute making fools of themselves arguing about who hated immigrants the most. It was farcical as Giuliani tried to blast Romney for having hired a lawn care outfit that happened to employ some undocumented immigrants, and Romney stammering and sputtering while trying to blast Giuliani for having refused to boot the children of illegals out of school. It's simply jaw-dropping that this is what the level of discourse has sunk to on the right. It's sure not what made America great.
It's a fool's errand to try to turn back the clock, hold back time, and turn the country back into the fantasy ideal of June and Ward Cleaver. Good luck with that.
When Romney was asked what he'd do to address the ongoing and hugely damaging epidemic of black on black crime which is plaguing our country, he actually said that he'd somehow make sure that kids had a mom and dad.
Think about that.
Black people live with this every day. It's like living in Bagdhad in some cities. Young black boys are being essentially slaughtered, and if they survive the carnage, they're ending up in prison.
What does Ward Cleaver think will solve this difficult problem? Why, somehow forcing parents to get married, and stay married I guess.
Can any reader tell me just how a government is supposed to accomplish this? Seriously.
How can a serious candidate for the presidency stand up there and mouth drivel about kids having both parents to raise them and not get laughed and hooted off the stage?
I'm not saying that stengthening families isn't a tremendous deterant to this problem and many others, don't leap to that false conclusion. But what I am saying is that government simply can NOT legislate that women will not bear children, or that fathers will always be good and committed fathers, or that those who are married will stay married, and on and on. To suggest that as a solution to this problem is absolutely stupid and ridiculous on its face.
But the "social conservatives" eat it up with a spoon. They don't care if it's even remotely possible or practical, nor whether it's the role of the government to even be involved in an issue. As long as it sounds good and sounds like someone will do something about people who aren't able to live as they do, then they eat it up with a spoon.
Does it make a lick of sense? No. But that rarely matters to these voters.
Likewise, there was a plain spooky question from a really spooky guy who repeatedly shoved the Bible into the camera while repeatedly asking if the candidates believed that "every word in this book is true." Even more bizarrly, he prefaced the question by saying that their answers would, "tell us everything we need to know about you."
There were other questions directly designed to test the poor boob's religiousity. Attempts to force them to stand there and out-Christian each other. It was ugly.
Not only was it ugly, but it was wholey and completely unconstitutional, and not one person on the stage thought to mention that religion is a personal matter which doesn't belong in that forum.
They are the ones who insist on wearing their faith on their sleeves, and now they're getting ripped up by finding themselves in the middle of that briar patch themselves. It's a good thing.
Perhaps this bloodbath amongst the Republicans will finally show more people of that persuesion that the social hot button issues are, in the end, losers.
The Republicans this election will likely be sunk by their efforts to placate and pander to the religious right, and if there is a God, it will mark the beginning of the end of this divisive and wrong-headed effort by the religious right to intrude into government in every way they can.
While watching these supposedly sane people spout the most amazingly religiously beligerant views, often intended to show how anxious they are to slaughter those of a different faith, it's impossible to avoid seeing the fact that they are increasingly acting exactly like the mullahs and ayatollahs in the mid-east that they constantly villify.
A large majority of the country has always rejected the antics of these power grubbing religious types, though you'd never know it because they've always weilded far, far more influence and power within the Republican party than their true number would reflect. But this may signal a slow death to their continued strangle-hold over the Republican party, as Republicans wake up to the fact that these divisive and often outright biggoted views will spell their doom if they continue to cling to them.
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Actually, I believe crazy Bible man. Two questions could possibly tell me everything I need to know about a candidate.
1. Do you believe the Bible is the literal truth?
If yes,
2. Will you vote/legislate/lead based upon that belief?
If yes,
Not getting my vote.
final,
Good point.
I did consider that perhaps the creepy guy was trying to determine if any of the candidates were silly enough to take every word of the Bible literally, thus proving that they were too insane to be dogcatcher, let alone leader of the free world.
I hope that was the case, as the alternative is pretty ugly.
And the larger point is that the question had no place in such a debate whatsoever, as it clearly was demanding some sort of religious test of the candidates. The fact that questions about their faith was featured so prominently was shameful.
BUT... as I said, it couldn't happen to be nicer bunch of people. They deserve to be hoisted by their own petard. (Always wanted to use that phrase.... one of the weirdest platitudes ever.)
final,
Good point.
I did consider that perhaps the creepy guy was trying to determine if any of the candidates were silly enough to take every word of the Bible literally, thus proving that they were too insane to be dogcatcher, let alone leader of the free world.
I hope that was the case, as the alternative is pretty ugly.
And the larger point is that the question had no place in such a debate whatsoever, as it clearly was demanding some sort of religious test of the candidates. The fact that questions about their faith was featured so prominently was shameful.
BUT... as I said, it couldn't happen to be nicer bunch of people. They deserve to be hoisted by their own petard. (Always wanted to use that phrase.... one of the weirdest platitudes ever.)
i woke up yesterday and saw a lot of press on romney's speech, and it scared the absolute shit out of me (same goes for recent things huckabee has said, as that crowd tries to out-jesus each other). but the more i read the transcript, the more i realized it was an awful speech. a lot of those types of soundbites that originally had me fuming (and even though it sounds funny, made me sad) really make no sense at all.
"freedom requires religion."
...what?
and the more i read from "centralized," or mainstream media writers, the more i realize "everyday" religious america is probably scared as well. i agree with your sentiments in the last paragraph - i don't think it's wishful thinking on my part; i really think this increasingly theocratic-speak spells doom for them.
Yes indeed, shame on those dirty rotten conservatives, standing up for the unborn and having the gall to say that people that break the law are wrong (illegal immigrants).
And above all, what are they thinking, actually having a standard of right and wrong! (The Bible, the same standard that this Country used when forming the Nation and for the majority of its existance).
Dirty rotten scoundrels - what on earth are they thinking?
Anon 8:58
Don't look now but your stupidity is showing.
How do you propose to remove and/or prosecute all the tens of millions of illegal immigrants? After all, they're breaking the law, right? And you're all about "right and wrong".
For that matter, why no screaming when Bush let a convicted criminal off the hook? (Scooter Libby) What happened to "right and wrong" there, eh?
Your simple-minded adherance to black and white dogma will be your utter downfall. You'll never get anywhere, and like in many instances, your frustration due to your misguided idea that everything and everybody can be made (or forced) to fit into your particular ideal of "right and wrong" and that you can force millions of Americans and literally everyone on the planet to do so will likely lead to you becoming increasingly fanatical and even more unhinged.
The fact is that your interest in "right and wrong" is incredibly narrow and limited to medding in people's bedrooms and dictating their personal morality.
You don't seem too concerned about rampant slaughter in your name overseas and gross criminality when it's perpetrated by right wing figures.
Be careful. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Amazing - you liken killing an unborn baby to "meddling in someone's bedroom"?
Even for you Dope, this is an offensive wandering from reality.
You justify the taking of a human life if you want, but, please, have the backbone to say what you mean.
OK abortion boy...
I believe that individuals have the right to determine whether abortion is the taking of a human life.
You can have your views. Just dont' try to force them down the throats of everyone. Simple.
Don't agree with abortion? Don't have one.
Here's something to ponder:
Abortion, as with other divisive and impractical social issues, are all, in the end, politically losing causes.
And as long as you have folks like THIS for allies, forget it.
The clear and unhinged fanaticism of a lot of so-called pro-lifers is their downfall.
Personally, I'd hate to go meet my Maker, being aggressively for the killing of a baby in the womb - or aggressively defending the right to do so.
That's just me. If this makes me a fanatic, I thank you for the compliment.
Yes, I am a fan and fanatical about allowing a baby the right to be born.
By your definition, I take it that you are a fanatic for allowing someone the right to kill that baby?
I like the side of the debate that I am on. I think that I will not have to worry much about this issue on my deathbed.
Yeah, I'm a real fanatic alright.
Why every single day, I DON'T blow up any clinics, I DON'T injure or kill anyone involved in providing safe abortions, and I actively DON'T stand around with gruesome posters to try to ... I don't know, piss everyone off.
If you are so-called "pro-life", then fine. But that doesn't make you a fanatic about it.
Though it's damn annoying that some of you (fanatics) seem to find a way to inject the idiotic argument into posts and threads that have exactly NOTHING to do with it.
That's just another thing that makes me feel more inclined to believe that women should be ensured the right to choose.
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