September 12, 2006

Sometimes people are walking pro-abortion arguments

This pro-life moron earned the distinction of being named Keith Oberman's "Worst Person In The World" tonight on his "Countdown" program on MSNBC. Well done.
The driver of a car that ended up inside the lobby of the Edgerton Women's Health Center early Monday morning was in the Scott County Jail Monday night.

"An individual drove a car through the front double doors ... proceeded through the second set of doors and parked their car right smack in the middle of the waiting room," said Tom Fedje, president of the Edgerton Women's Health Center.

He added that Monday's incident is the most shocking he's seen in his 33 years at the center.

Davenport firefighters were sent to the health center, 1510 E. Rusholme St., at 4:31 a.m., after early detection devices in the building alerted emergency dispatchers of the fire.

David Robert McMenemy, 45, address unavailable, was charged with second degree arson and was being held late Monday on $13,000 bond.

Chief Mark Freese, of the Davenport Fire Department, said the incident still is under investigation, but firefighters think the car caught fire after going into the building. A hydrocarbon-sniffing dog will investigate the car for accelerants.

"Until we actually understand what this guy's motive was to drive through the door in the first place, everything up to this point is speculation," he said.

Mr. Fedje also said it appears the car was driven into the building intentionally.

He said he speculates that the driver's beliefs led him to damage the building. The health center does not do abortions and does not get involved in making referals to abortion clinics, Mr. Fedje said. The center has a large obstetrical program and has delivered more than 17,000 babies at Genesis Medical Center.
Though the D/A article was garbled and started talking about a fire without any prior mention of it, this zealot apparently drove his car into the lobby, and then set it ablaze.
The man was still on the scene when firefighters arrived, Chief Freese said. He had exited the building and said he wanted to talk to someone.

The first floor of the two-story building has smoke and water damage and the second floor has some smoke damage, Chief Freese said.

"The whole building smells smoky," Mr. Fedje said. "The first floor sustained major damage in the waiting room. You're not just talking about carpet and chairs. You're talking about a significant loss."

The 25-foot counter where patients register also was damaged and Mr. Fedje said he hadn't yet spoken to engineers to find out if the building was structurally damaged.

"The building is only three years old. It's a beautiful building," he said. "We're very proud of it. I have a hard time understanding why a person would do these sorts of things."

The Women Infant Children program, a government-run program that provides nutritious foods for low-income women, infants and children, is run out of the health center. About 4,300 Scott County WIC clients receive checks for food products each month. They can continue to receive those at the Friendly House, at 1221 Myrtle St. in Davenport.

"Who can be against pregnancy care? Who can be against WIC care?" Mr. Fedje asked.

Edgerton leases the building from Genesis Medical Center, and Mr. Fedje said he is working with Genesis to find clinical space while the building is repaired.

A commenter to this original post said that assuming this guy was some anti-abortion freak was "foolishness" and read me out for doing so.

Of course, there's really no other conceivable reason some idiot would do what this guy did.

Turns out, of course, that my assumption was correct, as a piece in the QC Times explains....
A Michigan man described as a bookworm by relatives has wandered the Midwest since August, looking for a medical clinic to attack with his 2004 Saturn compact car, authorities said.

It was dawn Monday when David Robert McMenemy approached Edgerton Women’s Health Center in Davenport, which he mistakenly believed provided abortions.

He entered the center’s driveway off East Rusholme Street and then took a few moments to turn and configure the car to face straight into the lobby, Davenport Fire Marshal Mike Hayman said.

The 45-year-old crashed the Saturn into the central lobby, coming to rest at the counter. When the car did not immediately burst into flames as he may have expected, police said he took gasoline that he had poured into a Gatorade bottle and spread it over the interior. "I lit it," McMenemy told investigators, and he exited the structure to surrender himself to startled Davenport firefighters.

"He came out and said to our guys, 'There’s no one in the vehicle, and that’s my car. I did it,' " Hayman related. "Our commander on the scene was very surprised, and he took McMenemy to a squad car and turned him over to police."

The health center would have been destroyed if its sprinkler system hadn’t activated, police reported. Damage estimates were not available late Tuesday.

McMenemy, listed at 6-foot-5 and 270 pounds, remains in the Scott County Jail.

He made a preliminary appearance in court on Tuesday morning, and the judge decided not to set bail because the resident of Wayne County, Mich., is considered a flight risk and is likely to reoffend, Scott County Attorney Bill Davis said, adding that McMenemy has no apparent ties to Davenport.
He faces a charge of second-degree arson because first-degree arson requires that the building be occupied. There are no additional charges that are appropriate, including terrorism, Davis said, but he noted the case could be taken up by federal authorities.

McMenemy is described as "laid back" and a "bookworm," a woman who identified herself as his niece in Sterling Heights, Mich., told Lourdes Duarte, a reporter for Fox 2 News in Detroit. The niece described McMenemy as her favorite uncle and noted this is not normal behavior for him.

He took his car and left the Detroit suburbs some months ago and the family hasn’t seen him since, Duarte said she was told.
So, again, a more than worthy winner of the "Worst Person In The World" award, though he'd be a strong contender for "Stupidest Religiously Delusional Criminal" as well, though he has a lot of competition both in this country and in the mid-east.

Seriously, this guy has been driving around the country for over a month trying to find an abortion clinic to destroy, and the guy finally attacks a clinic that has nothing to do with abortion? Wow.


At 9/12/2006 9:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't understand...someone SPECULATES that this mans 'beliefs' led him to this act - and you and/ or Oberman label this a pro-life issue?

Come on, isn't this a bit of a stretch?

Even IF the man was pro-life (and there appears to be nothing that would lead one to this understanding), and IF this was his motivation, wouldn't the most logical target be Planned Parenthood in Bettendorf?

Your post is foolishness.

At 9/13/2006 4:58 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

OK, knock me for making an assumption. But then could you please tell me why someone would apparently drive here from Michigan to ram his car into the lobby of a women's health clinic and then set it on fire?

For starters, your second question highlights how stupid this person was. Yes, he destroyed most of a women's health clinic and caused massive damage even though the clinic has nothing to do with abortions. Pretty damn stupid, in my opinion.

He apparently drives here from out of state with some ridiculous goal of destroying what he thinks is an abortion clinic and instead destroys a women's health facility that has nothing to do with abortion services. Real bright.

As to your suposition that the guy was not some pro-life nut-case, don't you think THAT'S really the stretch, rather than my assuming that he is??

You're sitting there trying to tell us that assuming a guy who purposely drives his car into a lobby of a women's health clinic and sets it on fire most likely is some insane pro-life zealot is "a bit of a stretch"?

I don't know what your ideas of logic is, but to me, that's not a stretch AT ALL. It's pretty much a damn safe assumption.

What's the alternative? That the guy drove here from Michigan to drive a car completely into a building, committing a felony in the process, because... what? Because he was against giving food aid to expectant mothers? He had some big problem with pre-natal care? Get real.

I mean, before you start spouting off and criticizing anyone for presuming the guy is a pro-life moron, stop and use a little sense yourself.

If you're a betting person, would you be willing put money on it turning out that he's not an anti-abortion nut? If so, get in touch.

And if it turns out that he smashed his car into this facility because.... who the hell knows why, other than some incredibly stupid attempt to strike a blow against abortion, then I'll be sure to apologize for my mistake.

At 9/13/2006 8:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has this guy ever heard of Google? How about some research, buddy?

At 9/13/2006 9:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The word 'insane' certainly fits. The newspaper quoted one of the police officers as wondering if the man even knew what day it was.

Even if the man supports allowing a baby to live (radical position, I know), this has little to do with his mental state.

At 9/13/2006 9:29 AM, Blogger Craig said...

I thought Andrea just got done saying that only "middle-easter" men are terrorists, damn irony!

At 9/13/2006 4:03 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

He's inarguably insane, as are all the other religious zealots who've bombed clinics and murdered doctors and nurses.

At 9/14/2006 8:24 AM, Anonymous havinfun said...

Craig, now are we going to lump everyone who does anything into the 'terrorist' crowd.

We have terrorists, or do we need to call them, "International Terrorists" - and we have insane people who, whether under the name of religion, politics, sports or anything else do terrible things.

Question - has the man done or said anything that would make one believe that he is 'religious'? (I have not read anything that would indicate this).

At 9/14/2006 2:24 PM, Blogger Craig said...

I would say if someone runs their car into a women's clinic with the intent to kill that is an act of terrorism. His car was doused with gasoline, and even if it wasn't for a religous reason, you can't argue that he didn't know what he was doing.
I think the problem lies in the fact that people don't want to think as white people as terrorists, they want to bnelieve that this is below our race. Well, I have got somewthing for you, just ponder this for awhile. Not every Muslum is a terrorists, in fact a very small percentage in respect to their population around the globe. And not evry white person is perfect, in fact a very small percentage in respect to their population around the globe.

At 9/14/2006 2:48 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Good point Craig.

This occures with countries as well and is termed "exceptionalism".

It's a large component of nationalistic movements like fascisum as well.

It's when people think that the people or government of a country is simply always right, and that their motives and morals are simply beyond question.

Right wingers are usually the worst offenders at this way of thinking, and it truly leads to much of the world's problems, no matter what country it occurs in.

This is why, when two situations are utterly equal, in America, the fighters defending their country are terrorists and Americans are liberators, and to suggest otherwise is treasonous, and to the other party, Americans are the terrorists and they're the freedom fighters.

At 9/14/2006 4:06 PM, Anonymous havinfun said...

I don't have a problem calling this guy a terrorist. I don't have a problem calling the unibomber a terrorist, or the Columbine kids terrorists, or someone that holds 4-people hostage in a failed robbery attempt.

What does strike me as sad is when you (automatically) assume that it is a Christian-zealot that you want to string the guy up (which is fine with me based on the act that this guy did), but when it is an Islamic-zealot you don't even want his phone tapped!

(I thik that I might have scored on this one...)

At 9/14/2006 4:29 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Think again, Einstein. Before you hurt yourself patting your own back, let's point out that the only way you "scored" was to make an enormous logical stretch and then invented a giant false assumption to argue against.

First, you seem insensed that anyone would think this moron was a Christian fundamentalist.

Well Golly Gee Willikers, why would anyone ever think that?

Grow a brain here, my friend. I don't think you see a lot of atheists picketing women's health clinics, do you? Do you see a lot of Hindus annoying the hell out of everyone and trying to trick women into not having abortions?

Let's try to stick to reality and logic here, if you possibly can.

And secondly, in order to delude yourself into thinking you'd "scored", you had to invent the ridiculous asssumption that your opponents, (just who are they, anyway) are just really upset to think that a terrorist's phone would be tapped.

Wrong-o, Bozo.

Of course, you've been hood-winked into thinking this is all childishly simple, which of course, you desperately want the world to be.

But not so fast. The entire illegal and unconstitutional wire-tapping issue wasn't that opponents didn't want terrorists to be eavesdropped upon, as anyone who paid attention knows.

Rather, it's the fact that Bush wanted to be able to do so without ANY oversight whatsoever, not even from the secret FISA court set up for this purpose, who over the years has OKed about 60,000 wiretaps and rejected about 4.

(and as to the argument about how they don't have time to get approval, there's already provisions which allow them to do the surveilance, then go to the court afterwards for retroactive approval)

So, you clearly haven't "scored", you've only demonstrated your ignorance of issues and shown your gullibility towards right wing BS.

Thank you. Come again.

At 9/15/2006 6:59 AM, Anonymous havinfun said...

Dope, again, thank you for making my point!

By your own admission, the courts approve 99.99993% of the requests. On top of this, every President since Kennedy has used this form of intelligence -

Yet now it becomes an issue?

Is it because you (and your ultra-left crowd) hate President Bush so much?

Certainly logic and reason would not have this be an issue for you...
1. Standard operating procedure for 50-years of Presidents,
2. A 99.99993% approval percentage.

Your concerns seem quite unfounded!

At 9/15/2006 10:38 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Havinfun, you're a freaking idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about.

You have to ask why it's an issue now???

Do you even know ANYTHING about this issue?

The reason it's an issue now is that suddenly, the 99.999% approval rate and all the rest isn't good enough for Prince George. He can't even be bothered with getting FISA court approval and is insisting that he be able to do surveilance on ANYONE HE FEELS LIKE with NO COURT APPROVAL OR OVERSIGHT WHATSOEVER.

Even an intellectually challenged person like yourself should be able to grasp the problem with that, certainly.

Glad to be able to help you out here.

At 9/15/2006 1:37 PM, Anonymous havinfun said...

Dope, thank you for clarifying this for me (while not addressing the points that I brought up in the least!).

How about the last 50-years of Presidents?

How come this was not an issue when Clinton utilized this?

Have a great day!

At 9/15/2006 6:39 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Havinfun, if you don't have any clue as to the issue you're talking about, don't waste my time arguing in circles.

First, I did address your points exactly.

Secondly, you just don't get it, do you?

The difference between Bush and all prior presidents is this... now listen closely because I'm not going to repeate it any more.

Prior Presidents operated WITHIN the law which required them to submit all requests for surveilance to do with foriegn intelligence to the FISA court for approval. OK... can you understand that part? Are you with me?

NOW... what Bush is trying to do is to ELIMINATE the FISA court and assert that he has a right to order surveilance on whoever the hell he feels like WITHOUT getting approval from the FISA court.

Can you UNDERSTAND that Havinfun?

I think that's as plain as I can make it. And I'm not wasting any more time trying to educate you on a subject you are so sadly mixed up about.

At 9/15/2006 11:42 PM, Blogger tiz said...

Looks like havinfun and Jim Mowen have been eating the same retard sandwiches. He has a post up regurgitating the same GOP talking points.

This is what I say to anyone who doesn't think skipping over FISA is that big of a deal - would you give the same authority to a President Hillary Clinton or a President Edwards? Didn't think so.

Something also tells me that, were this administration to have used FISA properly, there'd be many more than 4 rejections given to date and the administration knows it. Why else would they decide to sidestep a 24/7 court that allows 99.999% of the warrants to go through? You know, the same administration detains people for no reason, invades countries on at best shaky intelligence and has managed to screw up two wars. I don't think it'd be a stretch to say they're most likely wiretapping at least some people for no good reason.

Regarding the original post - it's unfortunate this terrorist didn't follow through with the suicide part of his plan. He could have saved us taxpayers some money and kept him from further involvement in the gene pool.

At 9/16/2006 8:22 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Tiz you are the voice of reason in this arguement.

Perhaps the women of the world need to start focusing on a way to get male attention in a new area.... perhaps by regulating Viagra ---and see what kind of response comes from the male population. I can see it now..."Viagra only allowed in private health plans." or "No federal or state tax dollars allowed to fund Viagra any longer" or "Male enhancement drugs deemed inappropriate for viewing on TV ads and must be banned by the FCC from now on." or "Man arrested for illegally selling banned drug Viagra in a back alley."

You get my point here..... men think that it's ok for the men to do whatever they want - but have a woman consider the advice of a medical doctor based on private and personal circumstance- and then the Right wing nuts put their two cents in and regulate things using the law and pushing their power into our most private decisions!

The things done by lunitics like this guy and his car are absolutly crazy yet inspired by the debate encouraged by a majority of men ironically. Women need to give it back to the Men in a way that will and teach them a little bit about life and our world.

At 9/19/2006 9:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I knew David as he was my sister-in-law's brother and he wasn't a bookworm. David loves NASCAR. Recently, David attained his CDL A and he drove for a semi over the road co. but he was discharged at 89 days of employment. David was despondent about this and he moved out of Sterling Heights meeting ex-cons living with his depression. Abortion probably wasn't an issue with his severe depression.

At 9/19/2006 9:36 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Even if what you say is true, just what WAS the issue, if not abortion?

Why would he drive all this way and deliberately set out to do massive damage and burn down this clinic if abortion wasn't it?

Was he violently opposed to helping poor women with their infants?

Again, if it wasn't abortion, then what was it that inspired him to make such a violent attack on a women's clinic?

At 9/22/2006 10:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are many of us that feel that this man was to far, however you will see Beals and Haring and Zinga because the Democrats are for baby Killing. We will win this war through getting these like minded leaders elected before the rath of our followers whipe out all of these heathens.

At 9/25/2006 4:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before you say that this man is bad or evil lets talk about the women that abort their babies. Lets talk about the polotitions that allow this behavior. I know that our people will get out and support Zinga, Beals and Haring. Thes are the ones that can stop the evil doers within our own walls.

At 9/25/2006 7:13 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Anon above... if you enjoy being a useful idiot for the Republican party, go ahead.

If you're stupid enough to think that Zinga, Beals, and Haring will outlaw abortion when Republicans never have done a thing about it, even when they control all three branches of government, and you certainly appear that dim-witted,
then keep voting for these people.

You're being used like a rented mule and these same people you vote for out of some misguided idea that they'll outlaw abortion are also the ones taking away your rights to sue for malpractic, busting unions, and basically making sure you'll never rise above living paycheck to paycheck.

I think next election day you should stay in your barcalounger and read the Enquirer instead of wasting your vote on these charletans.

At 10/08/2006 12:52 PM, Blogger Rev. Don Spitz said...

David Robert McMenemy tried to save innocent babies from being murdered by babykilling abortionists. He made a mistake, but at least he tried. A lot more than you have done. The real terrorists are those who murder helpless babies. Stop picking on this guy.

At 10/08/2006 1:02 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

The guy is a mentally ill terrorist and you're not much better for supporing him.

Get some help.

At 10/09/2006 11:09 PM, Blogger Rev. Don Spitz said...

No, you and your pro-abortion babykilling friends are the terrorists, you support the murder of helpless innocent babies and then point your wicked evil little finger at those who try to save their lives.

At 10/10/2006 5:23 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

You're a morally twisted little moron rev.

You actively encourage people to break the law, cause injury or even death, not to mention massive destruction of property, all because you think a little clump of cells is "a person".

Get a grip.

And besides this, this absolute nut-case attacked a clinic which had NOTHING TO DO with abortion!!!!!

Seriously, the authorities should keep an eye on people like you. You're actively encouraging criminal behavior!


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