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This is the place to discuss anything related to the 17th District and Congressman Phil Hare.
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November 1, 2006
This is the place to discuss anything related to the 17th District and Congressman Phil Hare.
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I am sure that Hare is a nice man, but, really, is this the best that we can do? Is there anything that would lead one to think that we will get anything other than business-as-usual (which is no benefit to a stagnating area)?
(Understand, I do not see that Zinga would have given us any more).
I wish him the best, but a sad statement for the area.
This guy needs to get some pride and do something for his health and appearance. It looks bad on the district. Immagine once he gets to Washington and eats out all the time.
Mayor Schweibert is real thin! So is Jerry Lack. In fact, now that I think about it, Mayor Riverboat and Lack look alike. Maybe you could pose them in a funny photo Dope. Do something witty!
I don't understand the obsession with Hare's weight. Americans are getting bigger by the second. To me its a non issue. I personally feel his appearance is fine. I beleive I read somewhere that Phil had lost over 50 pounds last year due to diet and exercise but that the constant campaigning caused him to put the weight back on. This seems logical due to the lack of a regular exercise schedule on the road and also the tendancy to eat more fast food.
Good point Robbie.
Imgage is everything in politics, though it shouldn't be. I think they used to refer to politics as show-biz for ugly people. But increasingly, the line between it and show-biz is blurred.
sO IS pHILE WIEGHT.
Well said.
Regardless of Phil's weight, he's going to be a great Congressman. Gianulis and Jacobs were right on with this pick!
Come on Robbie, in earlier posts Phil was seen on a Saturday afternoon (during the campaign) at the movies. Please do not tell us that Phil is so overworked that he cannot find the time to work out - if he wanted to.
Most every hotel/ motel has a exercise room and fast-food offers salads.
You'd think after 24-years of making excuses for a do-nothing Evans, you guys would at least say a fat man is a fat man - and quit making excuses for him!!!
What does Phil's weight have to do with his mind? You can understimate Phil Hare, but you do so at your peril. Gianulis and Jacobs wouldn't have put Hare in this postion if he couldn't handle it. You Schweibert whinners can cry all day, but looks don't make the man!
The only thing about Hare's weight is that when he and Hastert do an event together, they'll have to have pay attention to the load-bearing capacity of the stage...
How come Jacobs brought us this crappy weather? Doesn't he control God too?
I hate to break i toyou anonymnous, but Jacobs is a man, not a God. He puts his pants on one leg at a time.
I went to Phil Hare's victory party last night at the UAW. What a wonderfull crowd, and the food was geat. Lane and Phil sat on the stage and gave real nice speeches. Phil looked good and told about how he's being featured on Comedy Central next week. He also talked about how he wants to get on Veteran's Affairs and other great posts.
Sen. Jacobs and Rep, Verschoore were also in attendance, but Mike Boland was a "no-show".
More and more Phil is taking on the politcal characteristics of Lane. he pledeged to be 100% labor, for the Vets, and against business. He also told a few good jokes.
Thanks heavens for Lane Evans and his guy, Phil Hare
Wonderful to hear that Phil is going to be 'against business.' What a great mentality we have in this area...
Let's be against the free market system and 'against business' - and we'll just live on the expanding welfare system. Amazing that we have a local economy of any significance with a Democrat-mentality like this!
RI Rep... of course the reason we have a good economic situation in the area is that Dems don't have the mentaility that you suppose. And neither does being open to providing necessary social services preclude economic vitality.
The myth is that they're mutually exclusive.
It was great to hear Phil say that he was getting on Veterans affairs because nobody else wanted the post. Can you believ that Hare is the only one that wanted this plum position?
Dope, 'we have a good economic situation'?
FYI, the economic situation in the Illinois QC area, actually the 17th District in general, is pathetic.
We have lost jobs, union and otherwise, and have a fraction of the new construction and growth as our neighbors. try to list the restaurants in the area - the Iowa QC area outnumbers the IL-QC area 4:1, while we have the larger population base.
'Good economic situation' - What are you smoking?
RI repub - I do recall reading a while back about someone seeing Phil at the movies. That was a couple months before the election if I recall correctly. I worked on Phil's campaign and was familiar with his schedule, and trust me there was little time for relaxation.
But you duck the real issue. What does his weight have to do with his ability as a congressman???
Its pretty sad when the only thing you have on the man is that he is overweight... No wonder Zinga lost.
I mentioned in a post pre-election seeing Hare chilling on a bench at Southpark only a week before election day. He did look relaxed and I was sure surprised to see him sitting all alone in the middle of a mall.
But I'm also certain that he worked his tail off during the campaign, and I know that O'Brien and many others certainly did. Hare had a lot of help from the usual suspects, but I imagine he'll make the most of the spot he finds himself in.
Does the commenter who mentioned Hare was to be on Comedy Central know anything more than that?
I mean, Comedy Central is an entire cable channel. It would be kind of hard to catch Hare with only that info. You might as well say he's going to be on TV sometime.
Anyone know what program or when Hare is to appear?
I hope he's on Colbert's "Better Know a District". That would surely be a riot.
That's where Colbert got Bob Wexler, FL rep, to say he enjoyed doing cocaine and hanging out with prostitutes because it was "a fun thing to do". (in jest of course, and Wexler was unopposed in the election.)
He's also made collosal fools of many others, including Rod Blagojevich.
It can be good for a pol if they're very skilled and can think quickly on their feet.
Lets not downplay the role of Lane Evans in this election. I like Phil but Phil wouldn't have been in the race if it were not for his great friend Lane Evans. Lane is stil in control of the region and we should not forget this fact. It was great to saee these two great men together at Phils event.
From what I hear, he will be on the "Better Know a District" segment. Knowing Phil personally, I think this entire thing will be a riot. Phil is quick witted and he obviously knows what he will be getting hit with from the witty Stephen Colbert. If you don't know by now, Phil is very smart, and on top of his game when it comes to politics. I know I'm marking my calendar for the date this airs!
It amazes me how uninformed people can be these days. Don't get me wrong, everyone in the district loves Lane Evans; however let's face it...he retired for a reason. For those of you who do not know, Phil does know how to run campaigns, Phil knows what works and what doesn't. Yes, Lane's endorsement means the world to not only Phil, but people of the district. BUT, can you please tell me, or anyone else ANON 21:20, how have we downplayed Lane's role? I hope you have ducktape in the cupboard so you can cover your mouth and not making any unneeded comments regarding this done and over campaign.
At his thank-you party Phil said he had gotten a call from Stephen Colbert. He will be taping a segment of "Better Know a District" around January 27. I would imagine it wont air til aorund March.
You people are ridiculous. I can't believe that you are judging Phil strictly on his weight and appearance. You know, I am only 20 and one day have aspirations of running for office. I want to do this, because I want to help people. Much like the reason Phil worked thanklessly for Lane as District Director for 24 years. I guess I better start losing weight now, so I can better serve the people.
RI,
I don't think you're thinking things through. The Iowa side has nothing but wide open farm land to expand into, and thus they've enjoyed massive residential development, which is why they have all the damn chain restaurants and big sprawling box stores (which while nice, doesn't exactly determine an area's worth.)
On this side, as you may have noticed, land is at a premium. The area is hemmed in by the rivers and wetlands. There's simply no natural area for expansion and development.
Any comparison of economic growth must take that into consideration.
I'd bet the farm that Colbert's producers saw the piece on C-Span where the freshman congressmen were posing for their class picture on the capitol steps, and noticed Hare, who was front and center at the corner of a balcony over the steps. He really stood out, trust me.
They probably couldn't wait to get him on. I predict Colbert will make a huge jack-ass out of him at Hare's expense.
Why would Hare be any different than any of the dozens of other pols he's lampooned?
Guess we'll see.
I've watched dozens of his "Better Know a District" feature and I absolutely love them, but it's because he makes absolute idiots out of the politicians.
But that said, I REALLY don't think Hare appearing with Colbert is too bright a move, even if we'll get to hear about "The FIGHTING 17TH!!!".
I don't care how quick or sharp Hare (or anyone for that matter) is, Colbert will make him look like an idiot.
This is the show where the interviewer asked Blago if he was the gay governor, and then raised his eyebrow skeptically when Blago said he wasn't. (hilarious... link to the clip is in a prior post)
Guess we'll find out. I wish Hare well.
It is very stupid, not to mention shallow, to fixate on someone's physical appearance to the exclusion of everything else.
But as I've noted elsewhere, increasingly, even politics is being swept up in the hype of celebrity, complete with looks and what they wear and where they hang out, etc.
There's a ton of ink devoted to political gossip every day, and none of it has a lick to do with actual issues or matters of concern to the country.
At least at the higher national level, part of electoral politics truly is a beauty pagaent. While you don't need to have matinee idol good looks to suceed, it damn sure helps.
And the glamorization and "Hollywood-ization" of politics is only getting worse all the time.
It's almost more important what a candidates acting skills are and how telegenic they are than what they stand for, which is a sad comment on modern politics.
Think a bit. Do you think a bald man or a man with a beard (or a unibrow, for that matter) could EVER be elected president, no matter how briliant or popular?
Probably not.
Part of the Obama-rama is due to his youth and handsome appearance, and that factor is at work with Edwards as well... actually it applys to every candidate.
Hell, the right wing, aided by the press, wasted WEEKS and acres of print and air time to an utterly stupid discussion of Al Gore's supposed "earth tone" clothing, for pity's sake!
Anyway, I guess the point is, it's not in any way right to make too much out of someone's appearance, but increasingly, it's all part of our superficial, star-struck, youth-obsessed culture.
1. I agree that Phil's weight is meaningless (Unless he was standing on your foot). The fact is that he beat Zinga because Zinga is a terrible candidate and has never had a clue, or ability, to attract anything other than hard-R voters. Time will tell if Phil is anything more than Evans, a do-nothing that the unions hold up.
2. Dope, certainly the land issue is a part of the sluggish residential development, however, the new Milan developments are all falling flat. There is ample land for commercial development along JD Road, with little activity (other than moving dirt).
The Illinois side boasts an equal, if not slightly greater, population, yet a fraction of the restaurants - and the restaurants that we have are fractionally as successful.
There is plenty of opportunity for in-fill development, but most has been unsuccessful as well (just drve 'Avenue of the Cities' and 18th Avenue, Rock Island).
And this is just the Illinois Quad-Cities. Been to Galesburg lately, Monmouth, Carthage, Quincy, Decatur, etc? (I travel a lot).
Unfortunately, Phil is not the guy that has a clue how to deal with these issues.
Dope, you really do not want to go down this path....
At 5/12/06 00:10, Anonymous said... I think that you are being a bit touchy. I never said that you are against Lane Evans. I never said that Phil was a bad candidate. But what I will tell you is that if Phil was not Lanes guy and was a regular Joe like Mellon he would have not had a chance in Hell to win. If Lane had touched Lack instead of Phil Lack would be the congressman. I know this, you know this, and the American people know this to be true. Don't try and fool yourself or Phil. Phil knows the score. I suggest that you ask him.
You are so stupid. If you viewed the whole phot, and not the cropped version, you would see that Phil is one in a see of faces. Go pull up the photo and you will see how stupid your suggestion that they pulled Congressman Hare out a phot is rediculous! They choose Congressman Hare because he is worth choosing. Everyone in Washington knows Phil is Lane's guy!
RI. All I can do is go with what I see. Sure, it would be nice to have some big chain quasi-upscale restaurant over here, if for no other reason than convenience. But I doubt any of the chains want more than one outlet in the area. Land was probably cheaper over there and more importantly, that's where the vast acres of McMansions and their yuppie resident are.
Not sure how that correlates to government actions on a federal level. What can any U.S. rep do to change the situation? I can't think of much. What do you suggest? How is Hare or Evans responsible for the situation?
And by the way, I'm still laughing my head off about "unless he's standing on your foot." Too funny!!! (seriously)
Anon 8:44.
If you're not a politician, you should be one. "The American people know it..." ????!!!!
Yikes!
Anon 10:37
Take a zanax dude.
Your rush to beat on me is really freaking you out.
I've never even seen the picture, nor did I say I had. I simply saw the clip on C-Span where they were videoing the shooting of the class picture.
If you'd pay attention or had some sort of reading comprehension skills, you would have realized this.
During the C-Span piece, the camera very much DID zoom in on Hare and lingered on him, not once, but TWICE.
And he very much WAS in a very prominent position, standing at the corner of a balcony almost like the couple in Titanic standing at the bow of that doomed vessel.
If the producers of Colbert Report saw that C-Span piece, they would have seen Phil in all his glory very clearly. Not only did the C-Span cameraperson pick him out, I'm sure the producers did too.
He doesn't look like the other politicians. Let's put it that way. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
RI Repub - whats wrong with Galesburg and Monmouth?
Here seems to be a problem with this area. People talk about how stagnant an area is and how jobs are gone and how it used to be better 30 years ago, but they don't actually pay attention to the communities.
I have lived in Galesburg almost my entire life. I went to college in Monmouth. So these are two cities I know well. I'm not sure why you added Monmouth to your list of cities. It has not really experienced any job loss recently and has had Farmland invest money to expand their large manufacturing plant. An additional key is one that Monmouth and Galesburg both share. They both have colleges that are expanding very quickly. Monmouth College enrollment numbers have been staggering. Every new student is more local money in the economy. New students mean more faculty and staff. These are good jobs. But yet no one ever thinks about that simply because Maytag left. Galesburg has been hit hard by job loss to say the least. But unlike the last time this happened in the 80's there is not a abondonment by the residents. In the 80's people were still naive enough to think that they could get more manufacturing jobs. We had a work force largely unwilling to retrain into different areas. But yet recently when Maytag and others left town, there was a large push to re-educate the workforce into different fields. Unfortunately many of the service areas don't pay as much as manufacturing jobs did, but that is an ugly face of the changing American economy, not indicative of Galesburg. If you come to Galesburg you will see that retail is still strong. Sure our mall sucks, but not because we can't support the shops. It is because of mismanagement, and an ongoing effort to rebuild our downtown area which siphons the smaller shops away from the mall.
I apologize for going off on this crazy rant, but I get kinda angry when people always assume that the area is economically weak. I am proud that the area has been able to grow and change with the recent events it has faced.
Robbie - there is nothing wrong with Monmouth or Galesburg, however, there is little 'right' about them when one looks at growth and development...ever considered all the options that one has when considering a meal 'out' in Monmouth? (Few choices).
As for the Illinois QC area, Aplebbe's has 2-Iowa locations, one in Illinois. Everyone that has one outlet, picks Iowa. At some point, when we have a shortage of restaurants (in comparison) wouldn't one, sooner or later, consider the Illinois side.
Of course a Rep has no impact on where Olive Garden locates, however, a Representative who understands economic development would be able to promote cooperation within the District, would work to assist local municipalities in areas of growth (where they have leverage).
Let's be honest, Denny Jacobs did more for economic development in the area than Lane Evans ever did (for his entire District). It s a matter of LEVERAGE and a US Representative has leverage - unfortunately, Lane Evans was clueless on how to utilize his leverage for the benefit of the District (and because he did not understand leverage, he had little - especially considering a 24-year career).
I am concerned that Phil Hare is as clueless, a nice guy, I am sure, but clueless on how to get and use leverage.
I am a Republican, but I would much rather have Mike Jacobs as my Congressman - he appreciates leverage and knows how to promote economic development.
Thanks for the ear.
RIR - I see where your going with your argument. Sidenote, should there be another 'e' in argu(e)ment??? Who knows... I am too lazy to go to work for spellcheck.
Anywho, I get what your saying about economic development. But too an extent a lot of these areas simply have as many resturants/grocery stores/big boxes that it can support. I think the QC is an anomoly because of the fact that its population and business base is split between 2 states. I think there can be more explanations than a weak congressman. Sales tax is lower in Iowa. Businesses always flock together... etc. etc.
I must run to a meeting now... more later.
sjviez
I am a Democrat and I would much rather have Mike Jacobs as my congressman too, but Lane wanted Phil. Now that Lane and Phil are in control, don't be selling them short. Lane and Phil no how to work together for the good of the Democrat Party. Look at all Lane has done, Phil will do more. He's already going to be on Comedy Central and Stevn Obares show!
Anonymous,
The problem with Mr. Evans, and I am affraid likely with Mr. Hare, is as you put it..."they work for the good of the Democrat Party."
I am ot naive, I appreciate that politicians tend to work to get reelected.
I do wish, however, that Mr. Evans would have (and Mr. Hare will in the future) worked for the good of the area, not just the Democrat Party.
The area has been short-changed because the Democrats were all too willing to keep an ineffective Congressman in office, rather than be concerned with progress.
I have to agree with RI Republican on this one.
Your opinion is in the minority in the area. People keep voting for the Democrats becaus they liked things the way they were before Regan canned all the Air-Traffic Controllers and wrecked this coiuntry. They also don't like what Pres. Bush has done to spend all our money on a WAR we have not been able to win. We can't even seem to catch Bin Ladin!
Republicans are no longer a real party and are losing ground to the Greens who took many votes from Andrea Zinga.
Ok, Anonymous, please explain to me how 'REAGAN' wrecked this country by firing the air traffic controllers. I have never heard of this one. For one that does not know how to spell the mans name, I am quite excited to hear this answer.
Also, for your information, Reagan inherited hostages in Iran (who were released upon his inauguration, as 'strength' is what defends our country) and he also inhereted nearly 20% interest rates and double-digit inflation - and extremely high unemployment.
Reagan proved that tax cuts indeed create economic growth (a fact that you Dem's just cannot appreciate, no matter how many times it works).
Again, I am looking forward to your explanation on how the air traffic controller issue impacted the country in any manner...
I gotta step in here to point out that you're every bit as clueless as anyone you attack about Reagan's record. He didn't "inherit" a hostage crisis and the fact they were kept captive until his inaugeration has no relation whatsoever to the idea of "strength". That's preposterous.
They were all but released and the mullahs and ayatollah's simply held onto them until hours after Carter was out of office simply to spite him.
This had exactly NOTHING to do with Reagan or strength, other than some very convincing evidence that Reagan negotiated with the terrorists to hold up the realease until after the inaugeration, which has since been referred to as the "October Surprise".
It's a fact that Bush Sr. met with the Iranians in Europe and that Reagan sold arms to terrorists in Iran. Is that you're idea of "strength"? Some of those weapons are likely being used against our troops at this very moment.
Secondly, there's little to no conclusive evidence that tax cuts, especially on the scale and skewed towards the wealthy as Bush's are, have stimulated the economy any more than other methods or simply the natural economic cycle would have anyway.
If I had as flimsy a grasp of superficial talking points as you, I wouldn't be blasting off as if I was sure of myself.
As to the air traffic controllers. I doubt their firing wrecked the country, but it was an opening shot in a policy which has not helped the country in any way, other than to further enrich the already rich by busting unions and allowing wages to be depressed and benefits eliminated in a wide range of industries. It was Reagan's signal that the government of the people, by the people, and for the people, would stand up and intervene on behalf of corporate intersts AGAINST the interests of the people.
AS USUAL THE dOPE IS CLUELESS!/ Everytime he talks a young bunny dies. If I was a dope I would keep my mouth shut and listen more.
Regan like the Dope played to the "crowd of the cheers" and vener made tha hard choices to move America forward. Double diget inflation and running the defecit throuigh tje federal roof is crazy talk.
Please advise.
Dope, so the Iranians released the hostages 'to spite Carter?!' - I am sorry that I ever doubted you.
So, the economy tanks with Carters ultra-high taxes and recovers after Reagans ACROSS THE BOARD tax cuts. If you do not see a coralation, again, tough to argue with you.
Anon... all I can say is... please take your meds.
Wow, that's pretty drunk, for 11:57 on a school night...
Dope,
So you are saying that Iran released the hostages to 'spite' Carter and the understanding of having to deal with a President who was not going to 'negotiate' for a year had NOTHING to do with it?
--Spite?
Let's see, 1980...
Double digit inflation.
Double digit interest rates.
Double digit unemployment, and
HIGH tax rates.
ACROSS THE BOARD TAX CUTS and the economy provides an almost overnight recovery on ALL of these fronts.
Fast forward to 1999-2000
The economy has two quarters of recession (end of 1999) - A FACT.
Then 9-11 and the economy tanks.
ACROSS THE BOARD tax cuts and we see 19-quarters of economic growth.
Dope, you need to stay away from economics - it certainly is not your strongest attribute.
OH.. so YOU'RE saying that the Ayatollah waited until Reagan had been in office what, a half hour, and then got so damn scared of big, bad Reagan that he pissed himself and let the hostages go?
Give me a break! Get serious. They were ready to be released for weeks, they just held off until that moment to deny Carter the satisfaction of getting them back on his watch.
And your economics is pretty fuzzy to say the least. I've never seen any figures or reports to suggest anything of what you say is a true indicator of economic growth.
You're obviously an armchair economist at best.
I don't pretend to spend my time pouring over government economic reports, but I know for certain that deficits have always reached record levels under Republican presidents, and that by almost every measure, the economy has performed better under Democratic presidents than Republican. (unless of course, you have a few million tied up on Wall Street and have millions more hidden off-shore.)
But as far as the middle class goes, they've always done better under Democrats.
Every time a Repub gets in, they borrow like there's no tomorrow, plunge the country into massive debt, and the very rich get even richer while the middle and lower class stagnates at best and actually loses ground on wages and savings.
1. You are exactly right, Iran understood that Reagan had a backbone and they knew that they were ill-prepared to deal with this. They knew that Carter was from the 'negotiate till your blue in the face' Democrats and they were safe doing nothing.
2. As far as the economics issue, I see that you conceded that I was right on the tax-cut issue benefitting the economy - consequently you changed the argument to deficits.
Deficits are too high under Republican leaders I agree. There are numerous specific reasons for this...
1. Carter and Clinton both slashed the national defense to levels that were obscene and did not allow us to defend our Country. Republicans have had to go in and spend in these areas.
2. Reagan had to overcome the worst economy in an extremely long time - and had to do it by Federal dollars into the system (money supply affecting interest rates).
3. Bush Jr. had 9-11 and the defense of this Country from terrorism, along with rebuilding after Clinton's deep cuts.
4. Bush Jr. also has a major spending problem - he certainly is not a fiscal conservative.
Let's face it, Democrats look better than they are due to defense cuts - and Republicans play the same political games as Democrats - and no one is protecting our deficits!
I've noticed some lauding of Pat O'Brien in the end-of year thread. I like Pat and I think he is a great guy, but I am wondering about his boss in the last election, Teresa Kurtenbach. I have heard that she is no longer with the Hare campaign, in what appears to be a rather upbrupt move.
What does it say about Phil Hare if he won't even help out/ keep around the person who has been with his campaign the longest?
Theresa who??
I think that Pat has found his place. He is much better at organization than he is as a candidate. It is nice to see a soldier find his spot.
If Jerry Lack got kicked to the curb after all his years of loyalty to Lane, then Hare will kick plenty of people out of his way!
Jerry did not get kicked to the curb. Lane has slated Jerry to take Bolands position and the schedule with a freshman congressman would be to great for Jerry to run from there. Jerry will beat Boland in the primary election showing the might of Lane Evans..
Lane has made a very good choice with Jerry Lack. Boland has turned this once "safe" Democrat seat "vunerable".
if an unemployed less then successful economic dev. guy like haring, with jacobs pushing and a half million bucks from the republican party cant unseat boland, how can another unemployed less then successful economic dev guy with jacobs backing beat boland in a primary this is bolands job until he gives it up too bad boland dont have a son why is everyone always tring to bury boland
Good question. Since nearly the day after the election I started getting a flood of comments all trying to start a drive to unseat Boland.
You ask why everyone is trying to bury Boland. I only remind you that it's not everyone... just the usual suspect(s).
Anon 1/03/2007 10:53:09 PM, I would like to point out that Jacobs supported Boland against Haring. Jacobs gave donations to Boland and he did mail pieces with and for Mike Boland. The Jacobs family came out before the election and stood with Boland denouncing Harings ads against Boland. You and this Dope need to get your story straight. If you can show where Jacobs supported Haring I will eat my hat. This anon post reaks of TID.
Sorry Zippy, I sign my comments, unlike yourself.
I know it must be hard to believe that anyone could have anything less than adoration for Jacobs, but amazingly enough, some do.
If you think the few gestures of public support for Boland tell the whole story, some might have a tough time agreeing.
Are you saying that there's no longer any animosity between the Jacobs and Boland? Surely you jest.
Or are you just trying to spin it that way?
You people need to get a life.
We have serious issues in this area - and you piss and moan about Jacobs/ Boland.
While you, on the other hand, .........? Piss and moan about people pissing and moaning?
What are these serious issues, and what have you got to say about them?
Write a guest post. I'd be happy to put it up.
I think this is the type of smear that we need to stop. You say that Jacobs is against Boland and yet show no evidence for it and act as if the things that Mike Jacobs has done to help Mike Boland is not good enough. What would it take for you to stop this smear campaign.
Well, for starters, it's no smear.
But maybe if Jacobs and/or his supporters hadn't sent in dozens of smear attempts and comments trying to suggest that Jacobs were the ones who got Boland elected and viciously slamming Boland every way possible, then maybe I wouldn't choke when I read people trying to say that Jacobs is the white knight here and Boland is the one who's behaving badly somehow.
I'm not saying one side or the other is blameless. I think the whole situation is stupid.
But it was beyond clear that someone on the Jacobs side was more than interested in slamming and trying to harm Boland during and after the campaign, as witnessed by dozens of comments along those lines, many which were so out there and repetitious that they didn't get published.
I thought this was an anonymous blog where people could say what was on their mind?
Are you saying I have to dislike Mike Jacobs or you will censor my witty and oft relevant comments?
No, and I have no idea where you get that idea. Care to explain?
I think you'll have no problems finding dozens of pro-jacobs comments here, so I'm not sure why you're trying to suggest what you are.
And if your comment fit your description, it would be published. So obviously if it didn't show up, it wasn't either witty or relevant.
Why don't you post the front page story in the qctimes regarding all the campaign cash Boland took from Madigan?
I can't believe Boland had to spend $794,421.00 to beat an unkown, unemployeed guy. Where is the outrage Dope? Your self rightous indignation over Madigan buying YOUR legislator?
Now maybe you'll understand why Evans, Gianulis and other key party leaders are done funding Boland's inter-party fueds and statewide travles.
While Boland lost Carroll and Whiteside Counties, Sen. Mike Jacons carried them in a big way against a West Point grad, International salesman for Kress Corporation and Eagle Scout. Now that is not to say Jacobs is great, it's to make the point that Boland's antics have turned the 71st District from a safe seat into a toss-up.
The time has come for Democrats to clean up their own mess before Republican Steve Haring does it for us! We have many qualified candidates to choose from including Lack, Ahern, McNeil, Bustous, Rumler and Hutton.
Mike Boland hs turned a once safe seat vunerable and Democrats can't afford to shell out $800,000.00 every 24 months to keep this seat in Democrat hands.It's time for a new Democrat that isn't loaded down with scandle and the inabiity to work as part of a team.
First of all, can ANYONE tell me why anonymous posted his anti-Boland rant on the Hare Discussion thread?
Secondly, I think you make a couple valid points, but you hyperventilate and overstate your case so badly that it's easy to ignore.
I don't think any of what you mention is nearly as bad as you try to make it appear.
And despite your relentless attempts to spin things, the fact remains that Steve Haring was far better positioned, had far better organization, and was a far tougher opponent than whatever nobody Jacobs managed to outspend.
You scream about the amount spent by Boland without mentioning a word about the amount dumped into Haring's campaign by the Republican party and all the help he received. Are you deaf, dumb, and blind? Or just dumb?
So the Republicans thought they had a shot at Boland and threw every last dime and resource they could at him and lost.
OK.
I hardly think that compares to Jacobs spending a mountain of money to defeat people that no one had ever heard of before in their life and who were grossly outspent by Jacobs by a factor of about 10.
How do you square all that with your desperate attempt to tear down Boland?
Dope,
I'll go slow so you understand what loyal Democrats are saying.
Most politicians raise their own campaign money. Without Madigan, Boland has proven unable to raise the necessary money to win, unless of course you approve of Boland trading additional scholarships for campaign cash?
For too long now, Madigan has been forced to bail out the struggeling Boland (52%), and to give him more and more money each and every year, as are Lane Evans and labor unions. All have grown increasingly tired of bailing out a wounded Boland.
While President Emil Jones picked up five new senate seats, creating a veto proof majority capable of moving important Democrat initiatives, Madigan was again forced to expend $800,000.00 to defend Boland's safe house seat.
It's time for a new voice for the 71st District. One that can and will win without needing $800,000.00 every two years to save himself from himself.
How can an unqualified boob like Jacobs win the counties Boland lost running against a far more qualified candidate and raise his own money, yet Boland has to rely on the charity of state and local Democrats to bail him out? Something is clearly wrong here!
Boland has become a "mill stone" around Madigan's neck and this gives those seeking legislative office greater, not less, opportunity to unseat Boland.
In sum, it's not about Jacobs v.s.Boland (Boland already lost that race) --- it's about OUR state representative being controlled by Speaker Madigan!
If you are unable to understand this fact you may be incapable of being impartial on this matter.
All I can say is, I still don't know why you're ranting about Boland on the Hare discussion thread, and that many of the things you consider facts above are only your opinion, and clearly the opinion you're trying mightily to cause others to share.
Again, trying to run the next election before the ink's dry on this one is rather silly.
You may think you have it all figured out, but I wouldn't bet on it.
You ask why this smear on Jacobs is taking place on Hares site? Well all you have to do is see that an anon which sounds like TID and then TID himself asked for this.
At 1/03/2007 10:53:09 PM, Anonymous said...
if an unemployed less then successful economic dev. guy like haring, with jacobs pushing and a half million bucks from the republican party cant unseat boland, how can another unemployed less then successful economic dev guy with jacobs backing beat boland in a primary this is bolands job until he gives it up too bad boland dont have a son why is everyone always tring to bury boland
At 1/03/2007 11:11:56 PM, The Inside Dope said...
Good question. Since nearly the day after the election I started getting a flood of comments all trying to start a drive to unseat Boland.
You ask why everyone is trying to bury Boland. I only remind you that it's not everyone... just the usual suspect(s).
At 1/04/2007 05:27:52 PM, Anonymous said...
Anon 1/03/2007 10:53:09 PM, I would like to point out that Jacobs supported Boland against Haring. Jacobs gave donations to Boland and he did mail pieces with and for Mike Boland. The Jacobs family came out before the election and stood with Boland denouncing Harings ads against Boland. You and this Dope need to get your story straight. If you can show where Jacobs supported Haring I will eat my hat. This anon post reaks of TID.
All you had to do is say that anon 1/04/2007 05:27:52 PM, was right. Jacobs has supported Boland. Instead you chose to smear the Senator.
This is a disgrace and disrespectfull to Congressman Hare and his followers.
Regarding Jacobs's support of Haring, one of the above anonymous bloggers should prepare to eat their hat.
I would suggest that people keep an eye on Mr. Beals. I heard he has a number of responsibilities at his job, including marketing, product support, and engineering while having carte blanche travel on the corporate jet. A friend of mine who knows him said that Beals is designing a piece of equipment for a jobsite in Brazil that will be featured on the Discovery Channel, Mean Machines. http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/ontv_machines/index.shtml
He also told me that Beals was considering a four year Congressional strategy (run in 08/10) to build name recognition across the 17th during the 2008 election and then running hard in 2010 when the voter turnout demographics are more favorable for a Republican candidate.
In case the Jacobs supporters have not figured it out yet, I would gather that Mike Jacobs was used as a stepping stone on Mr. Beals's way to federal office. Looking at previous discussions, he only lost Whiteside and Carroll counties by about 400 votes while running a clean campaign on limited funds and time. They are closer to home for Haring and it makes sense why he won them over Boland. 40% of the vote was pretty good for a rookie considering the voter demographics of Rock Island and Mercer counties.
If I were a Dem, I'd start making friends with this guy. Voters know him now and the 36th Senate District is about 1/4 of the 17th Congressional District and Adams County always goes to the R's.
As usual, when they're not bawling and whining that I mention Jacobs too much, folks have managed to hijack a thread which is devoted to someone else and inject him into it.
All of the comments above to do with Jacobs have been moved to his discussion page, and all the stuff primarily to do with Boland has been moved to where it belongs.
The effort to posthumously rehabilitate Beals is curious indeed.
Don't know if it's Jacobs or Beals people doing it, but if it's Jacobs, it's truly bizarre.
Go to Jacobs or Boland discussion pages to read the moved comments.
And please, no more whining about some supposed focus on Jacobs here when every time a few days go by without anything about him, you try to inject him somehow in order to drag the discussion back to him.
The reason everyone including you keep dragging Sen. Jacobs into the blog is that he is the news. What he says, what he does is of interest to the majority of voters and political activist in Northwestern Illinois. Commentors want to know what Big Mike Jacobs is up to? Even the newspapers and telvision are interested. in what he is doing. This should help you better understand why people are talking about Sen. Mike Jacobs' good deeds!
Hope this helps you along as you seem more and more concerned that you are losing control of our blog.
Commentors don't care about a sock-puppet. They are interested what real people are doing! Sheeeehhhhh!
OK Einstein, if what you say is true (it isn't, except in your own ego), then why is it that every comment here about Jacobs has NOTHING about any news about him, nothing about what he's said, and nothing about what he's "up to"?
Could it be he doesn't say or do much of interest to readers here? The papers have to cover stuff he shows up at, and of course, Jacobs is sure to get a quote, even when it bites him in the ass.
A politician getting occasionally quoted in the press doesn't exactly indicate a wave of excitement and interest. The fact that you apparently confuse the two tells a lot.
Can we bring this discussion back to Hare and talk about Kurterbach? Is she out or what? I have not been able to get a hold of her recently.
etdlnalt
I heard that she has moved on to try to work on the legislative side of politics and Hare didn't have room on his staff
Kurterbach was pushed out when the DCCC came in to save Hare's campaign from implosion about mid-Sept. She didn;t have the experience and the Dem's had to make sure that the 17th stayed in the Dem column.
Gianulis, Bohnsack, Jacobs and Evans had to do what they had to do. Jacobs' reccomended O'Brien and it was a done deal!
Like Phil and Becky give a rat's ass what "DA Senator" sez!
Phil's been puttin' uppity folks like Brunsvold and Jacobs (multiple generations) "dicks in the dirt" for ages as Lane's "hatchet man".
John and Lane are the REAL powers, everyone else is just "eye candy" (can't believe I'm calling those fat-a s s e s "eye candy" - but damn if it's not true)
Pleazzzzze.
Boland and Schweibert never did get Lane's message, but Jacobs clearly did. Lane installed Jacobs' campaign manager (O'Brien) as Hare's new Chief-of-staff. Not a bad consolation prize for a young SENATOR!
Did you see Hare in the crowd at last night's "state of the onion" address?
I know they say the camera adds 20 pounds . . . but how many cameras did Phil have on him!!!!!!!!!!1 ;)
Evans, Jacobs, and John G. are and have been as tight as can be. Who are you kidding? What is this dick in the dirt thing about? Sounds like a personal problem to me. Maybe you could elaborate for us all. Phil should be making friends now not enemies with this discusting talk. An odd stratagy for a new appointed congressman.
These comments keep getting more ridiculous. Anyone who knows Phil or O'Brien knows that they have been friends for years, much like Phil & Lane Evans were. They were friends before Mike Jacobs was even in the political scene. Phil chose someone he could trust, just like Lane chose him 24 years ago. To say that Lane has time with all he's dealing with to "install" anyone demeans both him and his illness. Go Congressman Hare!
You guys argue all you want about the innerworkings of the 'great Dem-machine' - while everyone ignores the fact that we had one of the worst Congressmen in the Congress for 24-years and now we replace him with someone every bit as bad.
The game is called - INFLUENCE - and after 24 years, Lane had none. There is little, very little to think that Hare will be any better.
And the District loses (as it has for the past 24-years). For those of you not understanding this -
Look at the job situation.
Look at the union job situation.
Look at the development, or lack thereof.
Look at the lack of federal investment in our area (even the new bridge is built on STATE, not FEDERAL dollars).
Look at our property taxes which are very high, because there is so little other development to pick up the slack.
Isn't 24-years of Dem control wonderful?
Did you see that they are naming the RI 11th Street post office after Saint Lane? That Rep. Hare is sure busy in Washington!
This is very mean spirited. lane Evans is our leader. For you to attack such a great man and to try and tear down Phil is worng. You are so jealous of Lane and Phil.
Lane deserves to have the main post office named after him. He is and was the best leader that this area has ever had. Phil is doing great work with these kind of initiatives. He is putting his stamp on Washington. Jealousy is a bad traight to have anon 1/30/2007 09:07:37 AM.
anon 11:13
What you say may be true, but it's pretty stupid, not to mention amazingly arrogant, to assume everyone who's critical of you or someone you support is "jealous".
I can always tell when you are jealous of people Dope, because you talk about them all the time. You think because Phil doesn't have a college degree and isn't a great scholar that you, not he, should have been handed Lane's seat! You are so jealous.
youngdem,
And you forgot Lane's direct blame in the demise of soda pop in glass bottles, global warming, dropped cell phone connections, solar flares, that flaw in the Huble space telescope, the Challenger disaster, fundementalist child molesters, poor circulation in the extremities, bad posture, icky tatoos, fat women wearing hip hugger pants, people who cough without covering their mouths, moronic fast food workers who mess up your order, everything that goes wrong with your car, plumbing problems, the jerk who cut you off in traffic, and allergies, just to name a few more.
Anon 6:55,
Damn! Ya got me all figured out.
And who says I have a college degree? Does it seem like I do? What do you base that assumption on?
(This is the original 1-26 anonymous)...so I am certain that if Lane was such an amazing leader, you can point to all the ways in which he led?
Like being a proponent of the RI Arsenal - oh, wait, we lost over 6,000 jobs at the RI Arsenal during his 24-years.
Maybe it is all of the infrastructure that the District has seen - oops, none of that either.
Certainly it has got to be his aggressive leadership in economic issues for the District. humf, nothing much here.
But maybe you just have a different view of leadership? Let's face it, Lane was in office because he was a follower, not a leader. And, understand, I do not mean to beat Lane Evans up - I would like to see people in this area understand what leadership means...
It is identfying a path in which to lead FORWARD. it is tough, it is overcoming challenges.
This area has gone backwards in the 24-years that Lane was around, not that it was his fault, but with a degree of leadership on his behalf, we would be in a better position.
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat the past -
and it appears as though you are thrilled to repeat the past...Hare.
we know who you are!
Anon Evans hater,
It took you eight minutes to come up with THAT?!!!
In short, if you think you do, you don't. But thanks for playing.
Aside from the fact that your comments are ridiculous, I'd point out that without Lane's efforts, the RI Arsenal would likely have already been long gone.
Also, since Hare has been in office what, about two minutes. Don't you think it's a little goofy to be judging his effectiveness already?
"Without Lanes efforts the RI Arsenal would be gone" - ARE YOU GOOFY!?
With a Representative that knew how to leade, knew how to take care of his own backyard and had ANY influence, the RI Arsenal would be vibrant.
Everyone that worked on the project to save the Arsenal touted on how absurd the move was, that we had all the infrastructure in place, that not only that jobs did not have to move away, but that we could accomodate far more jobs...
The main problem was that the BRAC situation was highly political in nature AND WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE THAT BIT THE HAND THAT ---FEEDS US--- TOO MANY TIMES - AND HE HAD NO CLOUT.
Dope, you are truly a fool if you do not see this
I'm not a fool, but you're truly an arogant asshole if you think you and only you possess the truth on this issue.
But I could tell you were an asshole a long time ago.
You have no idea what went on with the Arsenal, you just have a hard on for Lane.
The fact is that the Arsenal had been on the chopping block for decades in the BRAC process, and the fact that it escaped was an accomplishment in itself.
You can disagree if you want, but facts and history says you're wrong.
You can have an ill-informed opinion, but don't mistake that as somehow being 100% correct.
I am truly sorry for ever doubting you.
Of course, the slow 24-year trickle of job losses when every RIA advocate continued to tell us, over the last 3-years, why we should be gaining, not losing jobs, must just be a bad dream that I had.
So Lane saved all the jobs when all the other advocates thought that we should be gaining jobs.
Thank you for straightening me out on this.
I would have to ask you to consider where the two closest VA Clinics of any stature are - (1) Bettendorf, Iowa and (2) Iowa City, IA.
Yes, there is a 'Vet Center' on 46th Avenue, Moline - although this is a small office.
I am sorry, a 'Community Health Center'? Most every community of any size throughout the entire country has a CHC - this is no feather in the cap of any Representative...it is like saying, "see, we have a post office!"
Is Lane a nice man - certainly, I suspect. Is Lane a man of integrity, likely (depends on your definition, I suspect - as with most people---although he did vote FOR Partial Birth Abortion---
But still, was he a leader?
Getting things that everyone else has really does not take great leadership.
Of course, the RIA had other representatives in the mix. However, Hastert is a bit player in this effort. For years it was Leach, who has never been a great defender of the Dept. of Defense. However, if you think that the scaling back of the RIA was not a payback for 24-years of anti-DoD votes on Lane's part, then I would suggest that you are quite naive.
Keep studying, I would suggest that you try to not be so easily led as you go through the balance of your studies. Facts and, moreso, LOGIC go a long way.
You state facts - logic indicates that your facts prove Lane to be a follower, not a leader.
How can you say "Evans is not a leader"? Didn't Lane lead the only uneducated person in the entire United States Congress into his old seat? That seems like leadership to me. Doesn't it to you?
Tinker, nice shot, but clearly, Hare is hardly "uneducated". Unless you consider every person in the United States without a college degree "uneducated". That group would include some extremely sucessful and accomplished people.
I might add that even if you have two doctorates (which I doubt) you still aren't likely as successful as Phil Hare. Don't be sore about it.
As Lane's understudy, Phil learned everything he needs to know! Avoid open primaries, talk endlessly about veterans, and collect $149,857 a year from ill served taxpayers.
"As Lane's understudy, Phil learned everything he needs to know! Avoid open primaries, talk endlessly about veterans, and collect $149,857 a year from ill served taxpayers." - Anonymous
Have you followed any of the recent press releases Hare has had? Or are you another ignorant fool who does not have the guts to even use a screen name and refuses to at least admit that the promises made during the election are being carried out? I'm not going to label you a GOP fool yet, because you don't even have the stones to make a reasonable point.
Do a search at qconline or the qc times and see how many of the posts since January 4th have been about veteran issues.
How many primaries did Lane Evans "avoid"? I suppose he chose the timing for his Parkinson's to take a turn for teh worse. There is a record and your inability or unwillingness to make the slightest effort to verify your statements is representative of either idiocy, laziness, or lack of character.
I am wondering illinidem how not using a screen name is gutless. The thought of anon fake named people calling anyone gutless for not using a made up name is idiotic. If you want to have guts use your real name. The only one with guts on this whole site including this Dope is Dave Barret and Jim Moen. They are the only ones that use their real names. The Pols that are willing to be in the press and have their charicter impuned on this site and others are the people with guts. Not the anon thugs that are true afraid to stand up and be counted. I suggest that everyone use their real names. We would see who had gut s and who doesn't. We would have to start with the anon guttless individual that runs this site.
This from a "GUTLESS" weanie, evidently, who can't even be bothered to identify themselves with a made up name at the least.
What a joke.
Don't issue your "guts" challenge until you sign YOUR name, idiot.
And I'd point out, since you're clearly clueless about blogs and blogging or anything online, for that matter, that there is NO blog out of the tens of millions or more, where commenters must use their actual names.
There's no way to verify it, as anyone with sense knows. So people could easily say they're someone they're not, which is more serious by far than using an anonymous nickname.
As to your misguided and rather bizarre sympathy for the poor politicians who CHOOSE to run for public office and spread their names as far and wide as possible as well as trying to publicize and praise themselves every time they hiccup, I suggest you're just stupid or, of course, just suffering from a terminal case of sour grapes.
A politician being criticized and held up to scrutiny has nothing to do with "guts" whatsoever.
I'll allow as that it takes a great degree of strength to VOLUNTARILY submit to it, as any politician who runs for or holds office surely knows that it will happen often.
If a politician, (yourself perhaps?) is actually bitchy and pissed that they are scrutinized or god forbid criticized online or off line or anywhere by anyone, then I suggest that you're really pathetically unaware of what being a politician was when you signed up and worked so hard to become one.
Political office doesn't come with some sort of magic immunity card that says no one can be critical unless they're paid by a newspaper or TV outlet.
Politicians are held accountible for what they do, and so are bloggers or commenters, anonymous or not.
If a blogger is consistently wrong or unfair or otherwise turns off readers, then their blog will dry up and go away, as with the aforementioned Jim Mowen's effort.
Get over it, quit sniveling, and get used to it.
I post under my real name. I have nothing to be ashamed of. I am Robbie Cozad of Galesburg. Good Day.
Thanks Rob. I have no reason to doubt that you indeed post under your own name, but of course, there's absolutely no way of knowing for sure if you're truly who you say you are, short of having you present some form of official I.D., which is my point. A point which apparently hasn't sunk in to some people.
I've also known of countless people who start out posting using their real name, realize what a huge mistake and headache it can be, and quickly go back to using a pseudonym.
It's a choice everyone has to make. I enjoy having people come up to me and discussing my internet work. Others would rather stay anonymous. Not a big deal either way.
What I don't appreciate is those who do nothing more than bash someone and then run away from the debate. That is true cowardice.
Now, back to Phil. I saw him at the Obama announcement, and true to form, he was very friendly.
I saw Hare as well, and thought I'd gotten a shot of him with his entourage as the hustled out of the Old Capitol after the event. But when I looked through my pictures, I didn't see any. I recognized state's attorney Terronez in the gaggle around Hare but didn't get a good look at anyone else.
It was remarkable what a transformation Hare had made though.
Apparently someone has gone out and got him some top notch duds and a good haircut. He's clearly upgraded his image and is looking the part of a U.S. Representitive.
Thoughts on 2 things... First to stir up the anonymous debate which was put to rest a few comments ago. I at least wish people would pick a name and stick with it. I don't care if the name is timmy timmons, I at least appreciate being able to identify a poster by their name. So then I can build an opinion of them. I don't need to know dope to know his history of comments, posts, etc. Poeple can determine my credibility as they view my comments and blogs. But with anonymous, I always have to assume they are a partisan nut job. Because it is always anonymous people that come into discussions and say the stupidest things.
As far as Hare at the Obama event, he was interviewed on C-Span but shortly into the bit, the camera died and they had to cut back to the post speech analysis program. I felt he was sounding real good in the short time I saw him. He seems to have came a long way in his speaking abilities.
I know Pat O'Brien (District Director) was with him as well. Pat and Jeff (Terronez) were both looking rather cold when my borther and I met up with him. We especially enjoyed it when Phil was standing inside the square but not able to get on to the grounds yet. I believe his comment was, "that's it, I'm going to Subway."
Now all he has to do is something!
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