May 19, 2006

Smokin' Joe feels the love

Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, one of my very least favorite Dems, is feeling a lot of heat lately, a large part of it generated and sustained by internet and blog activism.

His long standing penchant for practically tongue-kissing Bush, his vehement but delusional support for the Iraq quagmire, as well as other positions he's taken (including voting for federal involvement in the Shiavo case) place him squarely on the Republican side of issues and has invited the ire of many Dems who feel that with friends like Joe, who needs enemies?
"George Bush's favorite Democrat," they call him. "Republican Lite," they sneer. But liberals are no longer just venting on Internet blogs and talk radio programs about their centrist nemesis: Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut.

Now, from across the nation, a determined alliance of antiwar activists is working overtime online and on doorsteps to defeat Mr. Lieberman, whose political moderation helped him earn the Democratic nomination for vice president six years ago. Their goal is not only to punish Mr. Lieberman for staunchly supporting the war in Iraq but also to protest what the activists consider the Democratic Party's willingness to accommodate President Bush.

Without a national race to focus on, thousands of activists from other states — encouraged by a host of liberal bloggers — have contributed money and volunteered to help the campaign of Ned Lamont, a cable television executive with little political experience who is trying to unseat Mr. Lieberman in the state's Democratic primary in August.
The rest of the N.Y. Times piece here.

My opinion, as if anyone asked? Lieberman has just about made himself as welcome in the Democratic party as Zell Miller.

8 Comments:

At 5/20/2006 6:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh are the blog nazis after Lieberman? The blog left wing behaves like McGovernites on steroids. They're a lynch mob, too. If we listen to them we'll go down in flames this fall and in 2008. They represent a fringe left that feels intoxicated with power due to their blogging community. There is no moderate in the lynch mobs on the left. That should tell you everything you need to know.

 
At 5/20/2006 7:50 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

I gotta ask where you get the information to base your incredibly sweeping generalitys about "the left" and the blogging community?

You say, "Thre is no moderate in the lynch mobs on the left.
That should tell you everything you need to know.", but who told you this and why did you believe them?

What do you base those statements on?

 
At 5/20/2006 9:09 PM, Blogger nicodemus said...

I subscribe to the "big tent" theory. Joe Lieberman stands for the ideals of what Democrats SHOULD and ONCE DID stand for. I like Joe more and more since the 2000 election, and when I read stuff like this, I feel like writing him a check.

 
At 5/20/2006 9:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe him because I am on of them. Phil Hare and Lane Evans for the Left wing.

 
At 5/20/2006 9:53 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

If you think Lieberman is what the Dems used to be, you've drunk some pretty powerful kool ade.

Lieberman is far to the right of Barry Goldwater.

Your sense of history is pretty darn foggy, likely due to your absorbing and internatlizing years of right wing propaganda streamed from every direction that folks like Durbin, Kennedy, and just about any Dem, are somehow "far-left" extremists.

The fact is, these guys are solidly where the Dems used to be, not Lieberman.

Can you imagine Kennedy or Clinton wanting the federal government to get involved in a private family matter like the Shiavo case? Get real.

And smokin Joe saying he and Gore should give up mere hours after the 2000 election in the face of massive evidence of vote irregularities is another example of why, if Joe is the "old" Dem you long for, I hope we get some new ones.

 
At 5/20/2006 10:52 PM, Blogger nicodemus said...

You have said nothing to prove your assertion that Lieberman is right wing.

I never said that Durbin and Ted Kennedy were left wingers. You did. (hey, if the shoe fits...)

I think Lieberman stands for the ideals that make America great because he puts his country and national interest over partisan interests. (Your hero Durbin, for example, is way too partisan) Lieberman is a man of principle and others share that opinion, the great Paul Simon for example thought very highly of Joe.

In 2000, Lieberman did the honorable thing by throwing in the towel on election night. Remember, Gore had already conceded at that point in a phone call to Bush and Lieberman was one of the few Democrats smart enough to see that they lost Tennessee and West Virginia.

You mention JFK. John F. Kennedy gave a big tax cut and boosted defense spending. He was very much into "cloak and dagger" CIA Operations. If JFK were alive today and addressed the Democratic Convention, he would be booed off the stage. If he were president, you guys would want to impeach him.

 
At 5/21/2006 1:39 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Well Nico... you've put words in my mouth that I never said nor implied, and made an argument that amounts to... "I think, therefore it is."

I'm not going to change your mind, nor you mine. So it's a moot point. But I will point out that at no point did I say that Kennedy or Durbin were "far left"

I quote myself: " Your sense of history is pretty darn foggy, likely due to your absorbing and internatlizing years of right wing propaganda streamed from every direction that folks like Durbin, Kennedy, and just about any Dem, are somehow "far-left" extremists.

The fact is, these guys are solidly where the Dems used to be, not Lieberman."

WHERE, my friend, do I say they're "far left"? They are where Dems "used to be", as you say you prefer. That's my point.

Leiberman is no "centrist", he's an oportunistic butt-kisser who will throw Dem principles overboard in a heartbeat if he thinks it will help Joseph I. Lieberman.

Principle is one thing, pandering to the right is another.

My contention isn't that Smokin' Joe is "right wing", which might explain why I didn't list anything to support that.

But I do say that he stabs the Dem party in the back a bit too often for comfort. And it's not simply on matters of principle, but utter B.S. like supporting the draconian and anti-middle class bankrupcy "reform", which protects millionaires but ensures that folks like us have to go utterly broke and sell all our assets if we say, incur catastrophic medical bills. Joeseph I. thought that was a great idea.

And supporting the bill that would have called a federal investigation into the Terri Shiavo case? WTF??!!!

Is THAT old style Dem to you? I say it's fundy insanity and goes against every principle of privacy and government. You want the Congress to get personally involved in your life and death decisions in your family?
I sure don't. But Smokin' Joe thinks that's peachy too.

And when there is CLEAR and convincing evidence of voting FRAUD and miscounting, in numbers far in excess of the margin of victory in a presidential election, where 500 some votes is all that separates George Bush becoming president and Gore and Lieberman winning... which they clearly did by nearly all recount standards, yeah, I have a problem with the #2 on the ticket throwing in the freaking towel without a whimper.

Screw that. No one thinks someone that can't even fight for himself is going to fight for them.

I could go on, but it would be time wasted. I think I've made my views of Lieberman clear.

 
At 5/22/2006 10:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lieberman cost Gore the election in 2000 when he simultaneously ran for the U.S. Senate while running for VP. This was discussed at the time and how it showed a lack of his faith in the presidential race. But he ran for the Senate anyway.

 

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