January 16, 2006

Um... just askin'

It's been over a month since the much heralded Iraqi election and they STILL haven't figured out who won? Are they waiting for James Baker to go over and fix it?

And of course, the almost monontonous death toll continues to rise.
Iraq's electoral commission said Monday that it is throwing out votes from 227 ballot boxes in last month's parliamentary elections because of fraud, a tiny percentage of the total vote that shouldn't greatly affect overall results.

The announcement came after a U.S. helicopter crashed north of Baghdad, but the fate of the two-man crew wasn't immediately known. A car bomb also killed six people and wounded 19 in the town of Muqdadiya.

Complaints by Sunni Arab and secular Shiite Muslim parties charging voting fraud and other irregularities have delayed announcement of final results from the Dec. 15 election, slowing negotiations on forming a new, broad-based coalition government.

9 Comments:

At 1/16/2006 5:20 PM, Anonymous M said...

I hate to intrude with a note of reality. This just from AP:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraq's electoral commission ruled Monday that more than 99 percent of the ballots from the Dec. 15 parliamentary elections are valid, opening the way for a new government to start coming together.

And then there's this:

LONDON (AP) - Moscow and Beijing joined the U.S. and its European allies in demanding Monday that Iran fully suspend its nuclear program, while Vladimir Putin held out hope for a compromise, saying Tehran might agree to move its uranium enrichment program to Russia.

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So, the sooner we get the hell out of Iraq, the sooner Iran can build a nuclear bomb, murder countless innocent Israeli civilians and start World War III. Boy, it's the 1960s all over again, isn't it? Let's wear our sandals and stick flowers in the soldiers' guns.

 
At 1/16/2006 7:37 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

You're right, we better start us a few more wars. After all, don't you believe that as long as the 'terrists are killing our boys and girls over there, they won't be able to come over here and kill all you armchair generals?

 
At 1/17/2006 12:28 PM, Anonymous M. said...

Yeah, that's right: Some right-wing nut flew those jets into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. And even now the GOP is conspiring to give Iran nuclear weapons.

If only we would lay down our arms and come home the Islamafascists would leave us alone. They'll going back to being peaceful, the way they were before we picked on Saddam.

I only wish we hadn't assaulted Iraq after they invaded Quwait in Round 1. Stealing that country's oil and then maybe rolling on into Saudi Arabia would have kept peace in the Middle East and kept gas prices from going up so high.

Who does Uncle Sam think he is? And think of the harm we did in '41 by unleashing our imperialism against German and Japan.

We need to be more like France. Let's surrender. We're beaten.

 
At 1/17/2006 1:37 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Only a couple teeny little incovenient facts that to mess up your oh-so-simplistic view of the world there, M.

Our invasion of Iraq, the trillions of lost treasure, the thousands upon thousands of dead and maimed bodies, all of it, didn't do a damn thing to fight terrorism other than actually INCREASE their number and supporters around the globe.

And also, we're now LESS safe and more vulnerable to attack than we were on 9-11.

I hate to pee on your parade, but how do you ignore those facts?

Also, it's highly unlikely that Iran would ever have felt it necessary to proceed with a nuclear build-up if Bush hadn't invaded the region and proved to be a threat. Without that destabilizing move by Bush, Iran would have no rationale for doing so.

 
At 1/17/2006 5:44 PM, Anonymous M. said...

Fortunately we don't have to depend on you to keep us safe. Who are you going to blame for the world being what it is when President Bush isn't in office? Better start working on that little problem now. I trust blaming America for everything will suffice for some.

On a serious note, I read an essay somewhere -- don't remember where -- about real conservatives not being utopians but realists. The ultimate point, or one of them, was that invading Iraq was a utopian venture based on the assumption that we could, by force of arms, aid and good intentions, cause democracy to spread in a part of the world that has been at war with itself and any anybody unlucky enough to come close enough to kill since Biblical times.

You, however, are being dangerously naive. The people running Iraq are supremely dangerous lunatics -- the Holocaust didn't happen, Muslims have a holy responsibilty to wipe Isreal off the face of the earth, the Koran says every good Muslim has a responsibility to start killing...

I'd remind you that this has been going on since the Carter Administration, but then I know you'll just blame it on Nixon (forget about Johnson, Kennedy, Truman, Roosevelt).

God help us when the spineless cycle back into power. Having our soldiers in Iraq is a scary proposition. We'll see how much safer we are with Hillary in the White House, the troops home, and the mullahs putting nuclear warheads on their Shahab-3 missiles.

Go ahead and have the last word. It's your blog and you're determined to ignore common sense. If you were in Iran, the government would kill you for criticising the President, but no matter.

 
At 1/17/2006 6:58 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Your "endless war" philosophy is hard to justify. I'm sure it's not your hide or any of your loved ones you're so anxious to sacrifice for some ill-conceived blunder in the mid-east.

Why you favor beligerance towards the people the Bushoids have told you to hate at the moment is your problem.
Remember, it wasn't that long ago that Rummy was shaking hands with old Sadaam and we were giving them the very chemical weapons he used against the Kurds and which is one of the ridiculous and numerous every-changing reasons Bush tries to give us for why we're there to begin with.

I'm sure your right wing elites will tell you who to hate next in a decade or so.

You buy all the political hooey you read, thinking you really know the political, social, and other factors in these complex societys, prefering to hold some almost child like simplistic view that all these people hate us and are some sort of scary threat.

You're so brainwashed that you'd support going to war against nearly anyone if Bush even told you that they wanted to hurt us... no proof, mind you, but if he just said so.

A foreign policy dictated by free-floating fear is not a good policy.

But you are right at the end when you say, "If you were in Iran, the government would kill you for criticising the President, but no matter."

You're right in that it doesn't matter. We live in the United States last I checked. What they do in Iran is for the Iranians to deal with.
I'm not going to sacrifice my flesh and blood or my money or my support for some goofy bloodbath because we don't like Iran's internal policies. Screw that.

You can dishonestly tar anyone who sees the sheer folly of the current war policies as being weaklings who'd welcome terrorists into our living room, but by doing so, you're revealing your ignorance and fooling yourself.

History will judge this war of agression as criminal, as has most of the world already.

Keep those blinders on tight. And rest well knowing that other people's kids, other kid's fathers and mothers, uncles, and aunts are getting killed like sitting ducks over there, supposedly to keep you safe.

Too bad they can't protect you from supporting death and destruction based on lies and the fairy tale boogie-men they get you to be so afraid of.

I guess we should bankrupt our country, wreck our economy, throw out our civil-rights, and send an unending line of our children off to die in the hope that we can somehow kill every last person on the earth who doesn't like us.

Gee. That's smart thinking. Good plan.

Too bad real life isn't like some Rambo movie, eh?

 
At 1/17/2006 7:47 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

M writes: "Who are you going to blame for the world being what it is when President Bush isn't in office? Better start working on that little problem now."

Naw.. that's no problem at all. When Bush got us into all this mess, why would he escape blame just because he's out of office?

After all, you guys to this day constantly try to blame Bush's screw-ups on the guy who's been out of office for 6 entire years!

And you think Bush should get a pass the minute the world breaths a sign of relief and he's out of power?

 
At 1/18/2006 3:52 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

M, would Dick Cheney ever lie through his teeth? Is he ever just flat out, 100% wrong?

I know of instances where he's lied through his teeth, such as denying forcefully to a reporter that he ever said some particular thing and then hearing him say the extact words he'd denied ever saying on video tape.

But today I was wondering, are the insurgents in Iraq still "in their last throes"??

'Cause if I didn't know better, I'd say that Cheney doesn't know shi*t from applesauce and I can't think of a reason anyone would ever take anything that oozes out of his mouth seriously.

 
At 1/19/2006 12:21 PM, Blogger tiz said...


You, however, are being dangerously naive. The people running Iraq are supremely dangerous lunatics -- the Holocaust didn't happen, Muslims have a holy responsibilty to wipe Isreal off the face of the earth, the Koran says every good Muslim has a responsibility to start killing...


Where does it say this? Why do W's flock always pretend to be experts on Islam? Watching Fox News does not make you educated about Islam you dolt.

Do us a favor, enlist. If you really feel threated by the big bad "enemy" then that is what you should do. Something tells me you won't though - you'll have even more in common with your fellow cowards W and Cheney.

 

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