Quotes
Consider the following quotes. They all fit in with the current strain of Bush conservatism and could be easily believed to have been said by just about any prominent conservative. Who said them?
"What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the homeland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the creator"
"Only force rules. Force is the first law"
"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category."
"A single blow must destroy the enemy... without regard of losses... a gigantic all-destroying blow." ["shock and awe"]
"Strength lies not in defense but in attack." [The "Bush Doctrine"]
"We are prepared to agree to any solemn pact of non-aggression, because America does not think of attacking but only acquiring security."
"The great strength of the U.S. is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it."
"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
"Public education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction."
"Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice."
"I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few."
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth... Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea.Dave, how many of these do you agree with?
posted by The Inside Dope @ 7/18/2005
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12 Comments:
HeadUsher, nice try, but no banana, as they say.
The point is that in many aspects, the Bush brand of fundamentalist "conservatism" has many parallels to Nazism.
You can moan about even bringing it up, but facts are facts.
Everyone should be aware of how subtly and imperceptibly we could lose Democracy as we know it if people continue to be willing to back corporate/goverment collusion (facism) and the use of religion to imply a leader is somehow on a mission from God, ala Bush and his fundy backers.
Those who continue to put their heads in the sand will be the ones responsible if we lose what is so precious to this country and the world, namely a liberal democracy, which is what it has always been.
And your hyperbole about how I'm somehow trying to censor anyone who disagrees with me is silly.
Dave is free to post whatever he chooses here, and he does. I'm fine with that. I'm not trying to chase him away. Hell, I've practically begged him to become a guest poster and I'll give him his very own posts.
Now go back to whatever it is you do when you're not posting your peculiar views here.
You know what they say ...the first one to make the Bush=Hitler, loses the argument. The sad thing for you is you actually beleive it.
All I'm sayin ladies is if your gonna make the Bush is the same as Hitler argument, there just ain't much to discuss.
Anyone know if they've got a sign that says "Work will make you free" over the entrance to Guantanamo?
Downleft makes an excellent point, a variation of what I want to point out. Namely, that no one is saying Bush=Hitler. Dave, you're just incapable of sticking to the facts. You've been listening to the bullshit of Limbaugh and Hannity et. al. for so long that you've learned how to stretch the truth and distort what your opponent says in order to "argue" the point.
Ok, so Bush and the fundamentalist right does not have racial genocide as part of their ideology. There ya go.
I guess Bush gets points for not systematically murdering people solely based on their race or religion.
I'm not suggesting that he's a clone of Hitler, only that he and those around him's use and abuse of power is very similar, as are his mininon's (Rove) use of propaganda, dividing the country in order to conquor it, sowing division to maintain power, NEVER admitting even a slight mistake AT ANY TIME, as well as using vicious and outrageous tactics to attack and intimidate anyone who threatens to diminish their power and image, no matter how slightly.
There are even more parallels than can be gotten into here.
You can ignore them if you want, and it's all too easy for you and Head Usher to cite the common hack saying that any time you compare anything to the Nazis, it means no one has to take them seriously or even consider them.
The fact remains that you're dodging the point. You seek to imply that those who see the dangerous ideology of the current right somehow think Bush is marching millions off to death camps.
Um... no. There's no basis to think that.
But there are more than enough parallels in the Bushite's way of thinking and viewing the world to make a comparison to Hitler's world view a pretty tidy fit.
To coin an apt phrase, "If the shoe fits, ...", or "If it walks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, etc."
Just read the quotes, which anyone must admit could pretty neatly summerize the views of many prominent conservatives.
When a government seeks to exploit and inflame fear in the populace in order to then take away cherished rights and liberties, and in doing so, actually INVENTS threats that it knows don't exist, nominates a religious zealot to position as chief law enforcer, eliminates the bedrock of habeus corpus, gives the President the power to lock up anyone he declares an "enemy combatant" with no notice that they have locked the person up, no right to council, and the right to imprison them indefinitely, which establishes a secret government that operates with zero oversight and beyond the reach of the public (Cheney's little setup which he used post 9-11), feels no obligation to live up to any international agreement the U.S. has pledged itself to, and on and on, then anyone who's even marginally awake and gives a damn has to ask some serious questions about just what the hell is going on with our Democracy.
These are the creeping steps toward a form of government that we've never had and which we don't want.
And if you want to be an enabler, and would feel more secure and cozy with a government with unchecked power and a nation that's a police state with the government having the power to evesdrop on every move you make (via e-mail, web browsing, all financial transactions, what books you check out, etc, which by the way, they've already embarked on) then defend the hell out of Bush and his neo-con handlers.
But you can't say you give a shit about liberal democracy, which, by the way, is what we've ALWAYS had. Liberal Democracy is a government which exists of, for, and by the people. If you prefer some other system to be put in place here, then admit it. Obviously, you prefer that corporations and the extremely wealthy know much better how the country should be run, as you constantly endorse an administration which has never said no to anything they want.
But if you think the system that's been in place for the past two centuries is worth defending, then you must pull your head out of your ass and look around and stop explaining away all that is happening around you as nothing to get riled about.
If you don't realize that this misadministration is radically changing America in fundamental ways, then you're either uninformed, not paying attention, scared to death and in deep denial or some combination of the three.
And Head Usher, I was going to reply, but when I got to "Last time I checked I lived in the U.S.A.!" I realized that it's futile to even respond.
You miss the point completely.
And you have a dangerous and rather apallingly simple faith that somehow nothing bad can ever happen in the good old U.S.A.
It's this very notion that the U.S.A. is somehow so perfect that it can never devolve into fascism or at least a state where freedoms we've all cherished and taken for granted no longer exist that is absurd and dangerous.
Pumping your fists in the air and bellowing "U-S-A! U-S-A!" doesn't count as being a good citizen. And it won't do much to prevent those in power from altering our country in ways which diminish what it means to live in the "land of the free."
Slapping a yellow ribbon magnet on your car and dismissing anyone who is alarmed at where the country is headed as some whacko doesn't qualify as being an informed and intelligent citizen.
Going along and not making waves is not exactly a "Profile in Courage" for politicians or any concerned citizen.
When Bush is stearing the ship of state down stream towards a waterfall, grinning and saluting him while helping to paddle isn't exactly anything to be proud of.
You might want to look over your shoulder once in a while and check to see where you're headed. Or is that "un-American"?
What's the frequency Dope? Blah blah boring. You with the help of your minidopes, maybesomeday and diehard have convinced each other that you guys are the ones that have it all figured out. That you are the courageous ones. Have a little faith in your country for once. Your blind hate for Bush leads you to believe that this one McChimpBusHitler can destroy our country. I say your absolutely wrong. If you disagree with his policies, fine. I don't, most people don't. Your tired agument and prediction of the sky is falling is BORING.
Then go back to your blog. I notice thousands flocking there to here your electrifying views. Oh wait, you took down your counter. Guess it just didn't go up that high?
I'm sure there were plenty of good German's who counciled others to have some faith in the fatherland too.
The fact that you don't grasp is that this administration is not "business as usual". There are little if any of the normal checks and balances left, and they're busy as hell trying to remove what little remain.
So yeah, forgive me for my boring concern with the fate of this country.
And you still haven't told us how many of those quotes you're in agreement with. Care to give an honest answer Dave?
I, for one, am not that worried about Bush destroying America. However, I am extremely worried about him messing it up to where it takes many years to fix.
Dope
As far as your quotes go, I don't agree wholeheartedly with any of them. It's a bogus question, although the one about public education approaches the reality of the condition of our public schools.
Your views are boring and unoriginal and represent the direction your moonbat minority party is going. Keep up the good work.
Ok you've drawn me out with your taunting.
So there are more Dems, they're just too stupid? Includng ol Dave?
... and your message is just complex for me to understand? Please help ol Dave understand just what in the hell you are talking about.
What is huge? You know salary? To help me with the math.
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