July 18, 2005

Quotes

Consider the following quotes. They all fit in with the current strain of Bush conservatism and could be easily believed to have been said by just about any prominent conservative. Who said them?

"What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the homeland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the creator"
"Only force rules. Force is the first law"
"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category."
"A single blow must destroy the enemy... without regard of losses... a gigantic all-destroying blow." ["shock and awe"]
"Strength lies not in defense but in attack." [The "Bush Doctrine"]
"We are prepared to agree to any solemn pact of non-aggression, because America does not think of attacking but only acquiring security."
"The great strength of the U.S. is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it."
"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
"Public education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction."
"Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice."
"I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few."
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth... Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea.
Dave, how many of these do you agree with?

25 Comments:

At 7/18/2005 7:27 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

And as a dictator once said, "What good fortune for those in power that people do not think."

- Adolf Hitler

 
At 7/18/2005 9:53 AM, Blogger theheadusher said...

Dope and maybesomeday,

Your never-ending attacks against "Dave" are unfair.

Specifically, it is unfair to use your postion as host to attack those that dare disagrees with you. You and maybesomeday are the absoulte worst kind of high-hands! The kind that lack courage of your convictions, but rather think shouting down your opponents advances your cause.

Dope, it amazes me to see you and maybesomeday embrace Right-wing tactics. I'd didn't like it when Republicans did it to President Clinton, and I like it even less when misguided left-wingers adopte the same hate filled strategies. No wonder average Americans don't want to get involved in politics anymore.

I may not like what DAVE says, but I'll defend his right to say it everytime! Your decision to equate Dave with Hitler, is even less fortunate than your suggestion that Dave is somehow "queer!"

Dope, you and maybesomeday ought to be ashamed of yourselves! How old are you boys anyway?

 
At 7/18/2005 10:13 AM, Blogger diehard said...

What office are you running for Headrusher? Althought I do think you need a new speech writer.
I dind'nt notice you taking the high road when it comes to Mike Boland.
Would you defend Mike Boland one of our greatest legislators in history?

 
At 7/18/2005 1:20 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

HeadUsher, nice try, but no banana, as they say.

The point is that in many aspects, the Bush brand of fundamentalist "conservatism" has many parallels to Nazism.

You can moan about even bringing it up, but facts are facts.

Everyone should be aware of how subtly and imperceptibly we could lose Democracy as we know it if people continue to be willing to back corporate/goverment collusion (facism) and the use of religion to imply a leader is somehow on a mission from God, ala Bush and his fundy backers.

Those who continue to put their heads in the sand will be the ones responsible if we lose what is so precious to this country and the world, namely a liberal democracy, which is what it has always been.

And your hyperbole about how I'm somehow trying to censor anyone who disagrees with me is silly.

Dave is free to post whatever he chooses here, and he does. I'm fine with that. I'm not trying to chase him away. Hell, I've practically begged him to become a guest poster and I'll give him his very own posts.

Now go back to whatever it is you do when you're not posting your peculiar views here.

 
At 7/18/2005 4:11 PM, Blogger Dave said...

You know what they say ...the first one to make the Bush=Hitler, loses the argument. The sad thing for you is you actually beleive it.

 
At 7/18/2005 5:42 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dave - how PeeWee Herman of you.

"I know I am but what are you?", Pee Wee's quote from his great adventure movie.

Dave, you are so childish. You know I have you by the tail on this one and there is no defending your hero Bushie. You can keep your free speech but everyone with a brain knows that Bush is doing the same thing other mis-guided leaders have done to stay in power and his numbers are tanking now. The quote I found is very apt in this conversation and I keep my right to free speech and will call em as I see em.

Usher - go back to fatally advising Mike Jacobs (or yourself) on the crash and burn campaign that's comin up and stay out of the fray here. It's for the big boys or girls as they say and you ain't there yet. Also, Usher, I am not a boy anyway---- get it right if you can.....and I am as I have said many times before - I am a ten-year old girl attending grad school as I am a prodigy. Know what that word means Usher? I think not.

 
At 7/18/2005 6:05 PM, Blogger theheadusher said...

"The Bush brand of fundamentalist conservatism has parralles to Nazism."

- The Dope, 2005


The last time I checked --- I was still living in the USA!

Although "the boys in France don't wear no underpants," I have no desire whatsoever to visit a "liberal democracy."

For the record Dope, America is and always has been a Democratic-Republic. Failure to grasp the distinction often leads towards confusion and anger.

Sorry fellas, but all the great leaders of our time have been God fearing folks. No amount of 60's liberalism is going to change that fact! SOOOOO whaat iisss iiitttttt that yaaaaa don't under-stannndddd DOPE?

Hopefully, you'll find a few moments to pull off the road and smell the coffee. If you have the chance, put down the "demon rum" and step into a road-side church. Trust me Dope, that warm feeling get when you kneel and pray won't be your bladder bag busting, it will be my gift to you!

DIEHARD,

Given that Mike Boland is NOT, nor ever wiil be a "great legislator," I could not, nor would not, say that he is. However, I do acknowledge that without Mike Boland's focus and effort, the General Assembly would still be buying goods made by children in far away lands. On this important issue Mike Boland took the bull by the horns and got the job done! I for one salute Mike Boland for passing this bill!

I still think you guys owe "Dave" an apology for smearing his good name!

 
At 7/18/2005 7:24 PM, Blogger diehard said...

So what are you saying Headrusher your a conservative Republican?
I give you credit for giving props to Boland. I dont like him much either but that was a good piece of legislation, brilliant I'd say.
So I know that its the cool Republican thing to bash France.
Have you ever been to France?
Do you actually know any of these people that live in a liberal democracy?
Without the French we wouldnt have the democracy all you right - wingers are crowing about all the time.
Without their help we would be having tea and crumpets every morning.
Our founding fathers thought highly of the French.
But they were a bunch of wacky liberals!
I have visted France and Quebec twice and found that the people there are just as friendly as anywhere else.
And they don't hate Americans well they did'nt used to hate Americans.

 
At 7/18/2005 8:30 PM, Blogger Dave said...

All I'm sayin ladies is if your gonna make the Bush is the same as Hitler argument, there just ain't much to discuss.

 
At 7/19/2005 6:18 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dave you are right for a change - there ain't much to discuss because I are right and you are DEAD wrong.

You may feel different if your own son had to fight and were killed I bet.

I am amazed that Sen Jacobs - Headusher is now your buddy - what's up with that? Mabye you are one of his best bud Republicans he is always afraid of pissing off.

I still stand on my assertion that Bush and Hitler are much alike in their ideals and views.

Your pick of Dope quotes -- what point are you making Usher? Or maybe you don't have one. What a surprise - as usual pointless drivel unless it's about yourself - your hero Mike Jacobs.

 
At 7/19/2005 6:37 AM, Blogger QuadCityImages said...

Anyone know if they've got a sign that says "Work will make you free" over the entrance to Guantanamo?

 
At 7/19/2005 9:44 AM, Blogger diehard said...

Yeah Hitler saw military action in WW1.

 
At 7/19/2005 3:49 PM, Blogger DownLeft said...

Why does showing the similarities between Bush and Hitler automatically mean someone is saying they are equally as evil? Isn't being vaguely similar and a little less evil than Hitler bad enough?

I guess Republicans are fine with everything as long as we're still a little bit better than the Nazis and any bad thing is OK as long as Bill Clinton did it too.

 
At 7/19/2005 8:16 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Downleft makes an excellent point, a variation of what I want to point out. Namely, that no one is saying Bush=Hitler. Dave, you're just incapable of sticking to the facts. You've been listening to the bullshit of Limbaugh and Hannity et. al. for so long that you've learned how to stretch the truth and distort what your opponent says in order to "argue" the point.

Ok, so Bush and the fundamentalist right does not have racial genocide as part of their ideology. There ya go.

I guess Bush gets points for not systematically murdering people solely based on their race or religion.

I'm not suggesting that he's a clone of Hitler, only that he and those around him's use and abuse of power is very similar, as are his mininon's (Rove) use of propaganda, dividing the country in order to conquor it, sowing division to maintain power, NEVER admitting even a slight mistake AT ANY TIME, as well as using vicious and outrageous tactics to attack and intimidate anyone who threatens to diminish their power and image, no matter how slightly.
There are even more parallels than can be gotten into here.
You can ignore them if you want, and it's all too easy for you and Head Usher to cite the common hack saying that any time you compare anything to the Nazis, it means no one has to take them seriously or even consider them.

The fact remains that you're dodging the point. You seek to imply that those who see the dangerous ideology of the current right somehow think Bush is marching millions off to death camps.
Um... no. There's no basis to think that.

But there are more than enough parallels in the Bushite's way of thinking and viewing the world to make a comparison to Hitler's world view a pretty tidy fit.

To coin an apt phrase, "If the shoe fits, ...", or "If it walks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, etc."

Just read the quotes, which anyone must admit could pretty neatly summerize the views of many prominent conservatives.

When a government seeks to exploit and inflame fear in the populace in order to then take away cherished rights and liberties, and in doing so, actually INVENTS threats that it knows don't exist, nominates a religious zealot to position as chief law enforcer, eliminates the bedrock of habeus corpus, gives the President the power to lock up anyone he declares an "enemy combatant" with no notice that they have locked the person up, no right to council, and the right to imprison them indefinitely, which establishes a secret government that operates with zero oversight and beyond the reach of the public (Cheney's little setup which he used post 9-11), feels no obligation to live up to any international agreement the U.S. has pledged itself to, and on and on, then anyone who's even marginally awake and gives a damn has to ask some serious questions about just what the hell is going on with our Democracy.

These are the creeping steps toward a form of government that we've never had and which we don't want.

And if you want to be an enabler, and would feel more secure and cozy with a government with unchecked power and a nation that's a police state with the government having the power to evesdrop on every move you make (via e-mail, web browsing, all financial transactions, what books you check out, etc, which by the way, they've already embarked on) then defend the hell out of Bush and his neo-con handlers.

But you can't say you give a shit about liberal democracy, which, by the way, is what we've ALWAYS had. Liberal Democracy is a government which exists of, for, and by the people. If you prefer some other system to be put in place here, then admit it. Obviously, you prefer that corporations and the extremely wealthy know much better how the country should be run, as you constantly endorse an administration which has never said no to anything they want.

But if you think the system that's been in place for the past two centuries is worth defending, then you must pull your head out of your ass and look around and stop explaining away all that is happening around you as nothing to get riled about.

If you don't realize that this misadministration is radically changing America in fundamental ways, then you're either uninformed, not paying attention, scared to death and in deep denial or some combination of the three.

 
At 7/19/2005 8:30 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

And Head Usher, I was going to reply, but when I got to "Last time I checked I lived in the U.S.A.!" I realized that it's futile to even respond.

You miss the point completely.

And you have a dangerous and rather apallingly simple faith that somehow nothing bad can ever happen in the good old U.S.A.

It's this very notion that the U.S.A. is somehow so perfect that it can never devolve into fascism or at least a state where freedoms we've all cherished and taken for granted no longer exist that is absurd and dangerous.

Pumping your fists in the air and bellowing "U-S-A! U-S-A!" doesn't count as being a good citizen. And it won't do much to prevent those in power from altering our country in ways which diminish what it means to live in the "land of the free."

Slapping a yellow ribbon magnet on your car and dismissing anyone who is alarmed at where the country is headed as some whacko doesn't qualify as being an informed and intelligent citizen.

Going along and not making waves is not exactly a "Profile in Courage" for politicians or any concerned citizen.

When Bush is stearing the ship of state down stream towards a waterfall, grinning and saluting him while helping to paddle isn't exactly anything to be proud of.

You might want to look over your shoulder once in a while and check to see where you're headed. Or is that "un-American"?

 
At 7/19/2005 9:58 PM, Blogger Dave said...

What's the frequency Dope? Blah blah boring. You with the help of your minidopes, maybesomeday and diehard have convinced each other that you guys are the ones that have it all figured out. That you are the courageous ones. Have a little faith in your country for once. Your blind hate for Bush leads you to believe that this one McChimpBusHitler can destroy our country. I say your absolutely wrong. If you disagree with his policies, fine. I don't, most people don't. Your tired agument and prediction of the sky is falling is BORING.

 
At 7/20/2005 1:08 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Then go back to your blog. I notice thousands flocking there to here your electrifying views. Oh wait, you took down your counter. Guess it just didn't go up that high?

I'm sure there were plenty of good German's who counciled others to have some faith in the fatherland too.

The fact that you don't grasp is that this administration is not "business as usual". There are little if any of the normal checks and balances left, and they're busy as hell trying to remove what little remain.

So yeah, forgive me for my boring concern with the fate of this country.

And you still haven't told us how many of those quotes you're in agreement with. Care to give an honest answer Dave?

 
At 7/20/2005 6:28 AM, Blogger QuadCityImages said...

I, for one, am not that worried about Bush destroying America. However, I am extremely worried about him messing it up to where it takes many years to fix.

 
At 7/20/2005 6:50 AM, Blogger Dave said...

Dope
As far as your quotes go, I don't agree wholeheartedly with any of them. It's a bogus question, although the one about public education approaches the reality of the condition of our public schools.

Your views are boring and unoriginal and represent the direction your moonbat minority party is going. Keep up the good work.

 
At 7/21/2005 7:28 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dave, the Dems are not the minority party at all. There are way too many of us working hard for every dollar - and we are the majority of numbers in the USA. The republican elite is very few and fewer every day - the rich get richer and continue to draw a huge divide eliminating the middle class.

What happens is Democrats follow the mantra like sheep - yourself included - (yeah you Dave - I know you don't really qualify to be a Rub - you don't make enough money) thinking that they are Republicans when they are really frontline working class who are voting to continue their tough existence buying up the drivel that is fed to them by the bigshots who claim to have your best interests at heart.

The salvation here is for the Dems to start getting better education on the issues and quit listening to the likes of folks like you who repeat like parrots what they hear.

The only way the minority party, the Republicans win, is to dup the Dems and they have been successful. That is the challenge for the Dems. To get a more refined simpler message that is easy for the folks living in trailers to latch onto and remember and identify with at the polls.

 
At 7/22/2005 6:35 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

I love it when I get the last word on ol Dave.....

 
At 7/22/2005 6:23 PM, Blogger Dave said...

Ok you've drawn me out with your taunting.

So there are more Dems, they're just too stupid? Includng ol Dave?

... and your message is just complex for me to understand? Please help ol Dave understand just what in the hell you are talking about.

 
At 7/22/2005 7:59 PM, Blogger diehard said...

If you voted for George Bush twice I recommend a lobotomy.
What has Bush accomplished?
Tell me what has he done that has moved this country forward?

 
At 7/23/2005 8:05 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dave you are a Democrat in Republican clothing. Unless you are earning a huge salary, your Republican votes are in opposition to your own income potential.

How do you vote Dave? Every Republican vote you cast helps continue the trail of you and the rest of the workers paying the bills for the government and giving all the tax incentives and breaks to the wealthy while cutting out programs that give a worker a chance to move up with education help and other options.

Do the math Dave if you are able. See the light if you can unless you are under their spell and have been brainwashed. If so, there is no hope for you Dave.

 
At 7/23/2005 3:55 PM, Blogger Dave said...

What is huge? You know salary? To help me with the math.

 

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