April 8, 2005

By reader request... Who Should be the Dem Candidate in 2008?

A commenter has tired of discussion of local politics and the ongoing Boland/Jacob soap opera, and has suggested that this blog instead devote itself to issues such as who would be the best Democrat presidential nominee in 2008, still three years away.

OK then. Here it is. Discuss away.


At 4/09/2005 12:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The best ticket is a ticket from the heartland that can win the midwest which is the key to 2008:

Evan Bayh and Tom Vilsack, President and Vice President.

At 4/09/2005 12:15 AM, Anonymous Democrat said...

I think we have to run someone from the midwest or the south (sorry, John Kerry, but we've tried that northeast liberal stuff).

Let's go with Dick Durbin and Evan Bayh. Or lets go with John Edwards and Mary Kay Landrieu of Louisiana.

At 4/09/2005 1:04 AM, Anonymous Al From said...

Evan Bayh? Bah! The last thing we need is a DLC candidate representing more of the same right-light corporate dominance oriented leadership that has been leading this country in the wrong way ever since Reagan.

If we run someone against the Republicans, it shouldn't be a DLC guy who caters to corporate dominance and continuing to lead us down the path of perpetual war rather than fixing the severe economic problems that is or will affect the majority of people in the country.

Are we really so far right that we think a moderate Republican disguised as a Democrat is our only salvation?
We need a change, not a DLC stooge.

Dick Durbin? Absolutely. The guy is no radical, but he's right on all the issues and not afraid to take a stand against right wing orthodoxy. Go Dick, go!

At 4/09/2005 7:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wes Clark & Sen. Kerrey from Nebraska.

At 4/09/2005 8:27 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Hmm Anon. Aside from the fact that you can't get with the program and type in a name for your comment, I like it.

Wes Clark has a lot going for him, though he tends to have a bit of a problem communicating. The fact that he's not real slick and polished actually appeals to me, but in a national race, I think he'd be prone to slips of the tongue that the right would capitalize and exagerate into fake outrage, which is their specialty.

But he certainly should be a contender and deserves a place in the show. Clark is sharp, knowledgable, right on all the issues, likable, telegenic, and his military credentials are first rate, though that didn't stop some on the right and other Dems from trying to disparage his career and suggest he wasn't that great a general. As a matter of fact, they even got some far right generals to come out and smear him as a general.

As far as the Bob Kerry, he has a lot to bring to the table as well, though the right would have a field day with him as well.

Of course the right would no doubt smear and destroy Jesus himself if he were running.

For that matter, the right-loving DLC Dems would mock the Prince of Peace for being a fringe anti-war loser with no crediblity and no appeal to southern males.

At 4/09/2005 9:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Dems need to first find someone to step up to the plate who can anticipate and counter anything that Karl Rove can create and muster into a campaign ideal/candidate.

Without a master spin artist, it would seem that any candidate can be sunk by the Right wing folks out there. After all, they have it all. They have the rich folks who vote Republican no matter who - W is proof of that --and then they have the southern Democrats easily swayed by such issues that cause emotion and ultimately do not affect any type of commerce or industry or jobs - like abortion or say "right to die". Heck they are already setting the stage with the Terry Shiavo nightmare.

It will be a tough road too and a big challenge. James Carville could do it but would he? He's making too much money being James Carville to care about it now. That's a shame cause we need someone like him to stand behind the scenes - even if it were a person of great caliber and a fine candidate like Dick Durbin as the candidate, Dick's message could get lost in the hogwash that the Right wingers would start spreading.

And the journalists of the 60s and 70s are long gone and replaced with folks who don't remember JFK and don't remember the Peace Corps or any of the things that were the fabric of their parents upbringing. So thus, we get corporate owned and spun reporting in most outlets and we get the sensationalized news to educate the "uneducated" electorate and get the angry white males out to help vote in the right wing candidates qualified to hold office or not -- again I point to W as a fine example.

Yeah, get a stratigist first - THEN get a good candidate in that order. Otherwise the Dems are sunk once again.

At 4/09/2005 9:25 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Anon...damn your hide. Pick a name! You deserve credit for your posts. That analysis was excellent. I agree wholeheartedly.

At 4/09/2005 12:08 PM, Anonymous Rawk Eyelund said...

OK, here's my name; Rawk Eyelund. I'm the Clark, Kerrey fan. It would be interesting to see how the next Republican chicken hawk to run for Prez would smear a pair like that. But, we know they'll try.

At 4/09/2005 4:01 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

awright awright - I am not anonymous anymore ok?

At 4/09/2005 4:04 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

BTW - keep on posting the stuff our locals don't would ya? It's nice to see a local person looking outside our area. We are not the end all do all here- there is a world outside the QC that we are all interested in learning about....

At 4/10/2005 6:34 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Hmm, yet another attempt to steer the blog away from Boland/Jacobs. What's going on here? ha!

I do cover issues of national interest on a regular basis. However, you'll notice that they often go without a single comment.

Apparently no one has anything to say on anything other than the rather incestuous world of local politics.

At 4/10/2005 6:57 AM, Blogger latinv said...

I would like to see a Clinton/Obama ticket. I know, I know, way too liberal (though last month Hillary gave some wiggle room on her pro-choice stance), way too early (for Obama), and only slightly geographically balanced. However Hillary wins re-election by about 65-70% next year and both will be in the middle of their terms, so no skin off their teeth. Hillary, with Bill's help raises the money. My only question is can Obama play the prototypical attack dog V.P.? Or will his sound reasoning, and cool, calm and collected speaking style, and mannerisms rule the day? Anyway that's my ticket. (now let the onslaught start and tell me how far off I am. Because reading the other comments, I know how little I know on the national stage compared to R.E. theheadusher, and the dope I won't mind)

At 4/10/2005 8:13 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dope you notice I do comment on events outside the QC and am glad to do it. The above from LatinV is intriguing but again - we need a leader to help clearly make the Dem message strong and help it rise above the drivel that will be thrown at it by Karl Rove and the like.

If the Dems don't anticipate the other side they are sunk. Maybe Obama can sidestep all of that due to his sheer star power but we can't take anything for granted. There is no low too low for the Republicans here - both locally and nationally - they use the same playbook to win. Moline was a clear example of that this week.

They tout morality while doing exactly what they say they hate - and all the while feining innocence and because of the way they splash the headlines and the way that our corporate owned news outlets report things they succeed in a huge deception. It's going to take a majorly smart genius strategist to outflank them in 2008.

The Republicans are so entrenched nationwide that their new legislative movements are a clue. They will never change the laws on abortion or right to life etc because those are the lightning rods for their use to rile up the commoners to vote their way. However, they will sure as heck continue to chip away at the civil rights of the working folks and they have continued to work on making it harder for regular folks to vote.

Remember Ohio and the 12 hour lines for example? Remember Florida's big mess that is still a quagmire? Well now Georgia is gonna try and pass a law that you have to show picture ID at the polls. Well it's a simple coincidence that about 30,000 elderly Georgians over age 70 don't have picture ID and can't imagine how they get one because they are poor and undereducated folks.

Well gee, I wonder how they'd vote in the polls? I am incensed when I hear locally in RI County that some of our stupid election judges and workers even ask for ID. They can not do that in Illinois. You are only supposed to say your name and address and they verify the signature - that's it.

Anyway, look out because if we have too much more of this going on the election and voting laws we improved the last 40 years are going to errode backward and the Republicans will be able to continue to have the elected elite decide everything for the working man/woman.

At 4/12/2005 4:16 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Obama of course, has a lot of appeal, but after having heard his performance in committee, including yesterday's confirmation hearings on John Bolton for U.N. Ambassador, I really have my doubts that he's ready for prime time.

He really sounds like a cross between the late Paul Simon of IL and John Conyers of MI, though Obama's vocal cadence may not quite as slow as Conyers.

He's good, and what he says is solid, but his effect on listeners can really can be like a human Sominex.

Of course, contrast that with his bravado delivery of his speech at the Democratic Convention, which shows that if he has to turn it on, he can.

At 4/12/2005 6:35 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Oh Dope - didn't you see the National Dem Convention - how can you say Obama is boring?

I have seen him in person quite a few times here in the QC and in Springfield and feel much more qualified than you to assess his public speaking.

In my view, Obama is quite capable of great public speaking and he could well be a big part of any future success the Dems have coming and lord knows they are quite overdue for a turn of luck in the polls.

At 4/13/2005 4:37 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

I'd just point you to my last paragraph where I noted
"Of course, contrast that with his bravado delivery of his speech at the Democratic Convention, which shows that if he has to turn it on, he can."


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