January 13, 2006

Jacobs vs Rumler preference poll results in Rumler landslide

When readers were asked the question, "If the 36th District state senate primary were today, who would you prefer?" the result was both surprising (at least to me) and not even close.

Rumler wins by a landslide.

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The final true totals with "overvotes" eliminated are as follows:

Rumler - 81 votes or 81.82%

Jacobs - 16 votes or 16.16%

Other - 1 vote or 1.01%

No preference, too soon to tell - 1 vote or 1.01%


All the number crunching and hours of compiling, sorting, and eliminating duplicate votes has been completed, the numbers and votes checked, rechecked, and checked again, and all the numbers balance perfectly.

The poll was put up Monday the 9th at 10:00 a.m., and was taken down Friday the 13th at 2:46 a.m., thus running about 4 days.

The polling service reported the IP addresses of voters and by checking them for duplicates, I was able to eliminate those who voted more than once.

The vote count reported by the poll (which included repeat voters) is as follows:

Rumler: 103 or 79%
Jacobs: 25 or 19%
Other: 1 or 1%
No preference, too soon to tell: 1 or 1%

As you can see, even with the overvotes included, the totals vary less than 4 percentage points from the adjusted count with overvotes removed.

The total of votes cast was 130 exactly.


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Two votes each for both Jacobs and Rumler had been cast before I began tracking votes to eliminate repeat voting.

I counted one vote for those who voted more than once, and did not count the duplicates.

The total of "clean" votes were 99 (which is why the percentages almost match the vote count.)

Duplicate vote totals are as follows:

Rumler - 20 "bad" or overvotes from 12 voters
Jacobs - 7 "bad" or overvotes from 3 voters

for a total 27 "bad" votes.

Adding the total "clean" votes to the "bad" votes equals 126. Adding in the 2 votes for each (4 total) which were cast before tracking began, brings the total up to 130, matching the total votes reported by the polling service.

When posting the poll, I had assumed that Jacobs would manage a fairly convincing victory, so the results are surprising.

A few remarks may be in order as far as what this poll means.

The bottom line is that this poll reflects exactly what it is, namely, it reflects the preferences only of those who visit this particular site and who vote in the poll. Also, there was no way to limit voting to only those who both live in the 36th district and are registered Democrats. Therefore, of course, it is far from an accurate reflection of the voters in the district in any scientifically accurate sense.

I'm not sure how many people actually voted in the last Democratic primary for the 36th district (when was that? in '42?) but 126 individuals is a very tiny sample compared to the number of people who can be expected to show up to vote in the primary.

That said however, it is routine for polls to extrapolate poll results to the entire country based on a similarly tiny fraction, actually even smaller. They sometimes project voter preference for the entire country based on only a few hundred respondents, a far smaller proportion of the population than the respondents to this poll vs. the expected voters in the primary.

A few things might be surmised from the results.

First, the Rumler camp appears to have a superior capability to get out the troops to participate. They also might be seen to have a broader network of supporters who are online and who communicate by e-mail, etc.

Secondly, it might be suspected that there are more Rumler supporters out there than conventional wisdom might dictate. Of course, there's no way of knowing, but the results were so lop-sided that it can't be ignored completely. (though some will try very hard to do just that, I'm sure.)

It's been suggested that readers of this blog are overwhelmingly Rumler supporters. I'd have to question that assumption. The fact is that hundreds of people visit and read this blog, and it's inconceivable that they all share exactly the same views, much less all (or even most) support Rumler. I would suggest that there's as many Jacobs supporters who frequent the blog as Rumler supporters, perhaps even more, judging by comments left here. And it may be that a large portion of readers simply have no opinion one way or the other.

I'd also point out that it wouldn't be honest to accuse me of being a "Rumler supporter" based on this blog. I think I've only written about him once, after he announced his candidacy, much less promoted or speechified about why people should support him. Frankly, like many others I imagine, I don't know much about him. In other words, my often dim views of Sen. Jacobs shouldn't be interpreted as support for Rumler. If I chew on Jacobs, it's my reaction to the low-brow attacks here by him and/or his supporters and Jacobs often dim-witted pronouncements and actions elsewhere, not because I'm pushing Rumler.

But enough of that.... what do you think of the poll results? Are you as surprised as I am? What does it mean, if anything?

66 Comments:

At 1/13/2006 7:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this the fox guarding the chickens?

 
At 1/13/2006 7:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you really think that Sen. Mike Jacobs couldn't get 100 people to vote for him on this online chat poll if it had any importance to him? He has that many people in his immediate family. It seems doing the peoples work bringing in 2.4 million for WIU was more important to him. I have noticed that my spelling and grammar have been getting changed, is that your system doing that or what???

 
At 1/13/2006 7:17 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

anon 7:02

What are you implying?

If you think there's any favoritism on my part, you're dead wrong.
I worked my ass off on this to make damn sure it was fair and square and make sure that no one on either side got away with voting more than once.

If I favored Rumler, why would I even bother? I could have let the poll run by itself and not even bothered dealing with mulitiple voters. Rumler beat Jacobs either way. So just how am I supposed to be this "fox"??

Don't be shy now.

And use your head before you pop off on stuff. OK? I'm tired of doing the thinking you should have done on your own before making your comment.

 
At 1/13/2006 7:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations to Sen. Mike Jacobs and Rep. Pat Vershoore along with the blue ribbon committee and all the others whom worked so hard for bringing this great opportunity to educate and keep our children in the QC. I never would have believed that a Freshman Sen. Mike Jacobs would be able to navigate the Springfield waters and deliver this great accomplishment for his district. The advent of the blue ribbon committee is a stroke of genius and shows his ability to work with others and delegate the credit and responsibility around. I am ecstatic about this great accomplishment and look forward to this new and energetic approach to bringing good things to the their district. This type of leadership has made me change my perception of Sen. Mike Jacobs and he will now get my vote.

 
At 1/13/2006 7:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah right, prove that you aren't Mayor Daley counting the votes. I have seen your type before anon. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!

 
At 1/13/2006 7:25 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

And to anon 7:13

Here comes the BS. I wondered what took it so long.

First of all, you're welcome to think whatever you want as far as Jacobs and his support.

The only thing I know for certain is that Jacobs managed to get 14 votes over about 4 days, and that before I put a stop to it, most of his votes were from two people who voted three times a piece.

If he has that many supporters, they must not give a damn that he was getting ripped up in this poll. You'd think they'd care if for no other reason than appearances.

And your spelling and grammar are most definitely NOT being changed. I don't know what the hell you're trying to pull, but there is absolutely no possible way for anything that you submit to be changed before it's posted.

If your words and thoughts look stupid when they appear, don't try to blame it on some unseen force mysteriously changing them. Just take responsibility and deal with it.

Next time, just re-read what you write before you comment.

Nice try though.

 
At 1/13/2006 7:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suggest that it's rank bullshit like posted by Anon 7:20 which is exactly why people are turning against Jacobs here.

No one in their right mind thinks that phony-baloney crap is either real or even true.

Next time you get in the mood to post that kind of rinky-dink crap, don't.

Thanks from all of us.

 
At 1/13/2006 8:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

POLLING 101

Although we rarley achieve true probability sampling, we must take every effort to control personal biases.

Obviously, volunteer survey are ripe with bias. Not only do they consist mainly of people intensely interested in the outcome, but they are also not at all representative of pending Democrat primary as a whole. Consequently, it is unreasonable to generalize results to the whole.

In the future, please refrain from drawing inferences from surveys where respondents select themselves to be interviewed, as you are doing a grave injustice to the field of survey research and your readers as well.

 
At 1/13/2006 9:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Say what you want about the poll, but Mike Jacobs has been in one poll/election for the 36th District and he got beat. Them the facts.

 
At 1/13/2006 9:19 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Pardon me, but, get over yourself, will you? Where does it say that this is a scientifically accurate poll? Oh.. it doesn't? Then spare us the Polling 101.

Did you even read what I wrote? Did you miss the part where I explain that the poll is far from scientific or even representitive? Did you somehow skip over the part where I pointed out that it's only from a "universe" of people who happen to come here and vote?

Not only did I not represent the poll as meaning something for certain, but I went out of my way to point out that it's not representitive of the general population and why.

What's your problem?

 
At 1/13/2006 9:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's shed some real light on this WIU issue right now. The 2.4 Mil isn't even 10% of what is needed to open the doors to WIU. Furthermore, Mike Jacobs had nothing to do with Blagojevich bringing the money. It had everything to do with Blagojevich posturing for his campaign. As soon as I heard about the money I knew that Jacobs would try to take credit. That seems to be a pattern with him, everytime anything remotely positive happens he calls a press conference, and everytime something negative happens he cusses out someone from the newspaper.

 
At 1/13/2006 9:28 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Anon 7:24

Seems to me that your trying to argue that the vote was rigged is pretty stupid, seeing as how Rumler ripped Jacobs a new one whether the duplicate votes were counted or not.

Your argument makes no sense.

If you had even a tiny clue as to how the internet works, you'd know that these polls are hosted on some huge computer somewhere with thousands of others from other people using the same service.

There's no way I or anyone else could tamper with the votes or the totals, except maybe some engineer at the company that hosts this poll and thousands of others. And frankly, that ain't gonna happen.

All I do is put a little chunk of code into the page. When people open the blog, along with the pictures and everything else from the blogger computer, it calls the remote computer, in this case as Bravenet, to "serve" the poll to the viewers browser.

The poll isn't on my computer or even Bloggers servers, and I have no way of interfereing with the votes, period.

The only thing I can and did do is log the votes from different computers and eliminate the duplicate votes.

Rumler came out far ahead either way.

So do us a favor and can the silly suggestions.

 
At 1/13/2006 9:32 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Anon 9:22..

I thought I was the only one who noticed! What a relief.

I'm nauseated by the many goofy wanna-be press releases that some idiot posts here with frequency singing the phony praises of Sen. Mike Jacobs for simply existing.

I can't count the number of times he's tried to take credit for stuff he had nothing to do with or which would have happened if he'd been locked in a hut in Madegascar. In other words, stuff that would have happened even if he'd never been born, yet there he is thumping his chest, and here he or his supporters are writing drivel trying to sell this crap to us and insulting our intelligence in the process.

These press conferences are nothing but glorified circle-jerks anyway.

 
At 1/13/2006 9:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It isn't you holding votes out for fraud but making the whole thing up!! That’s the beauty of running an anon chat site. No validity.

Isn’t that so!!

 
At 1/13/2006 9:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well the President of WIU doesn't agree with you. Don't you ever give credit where credit is due? Why are you so bitter.???

 
At 1/13/2006 9:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you expect from a disgruntled newsman that can’t write this trash their own paper.

 
At 1/13/2006 9:48 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

No isn't NOT so. And you're a clueless bonehead who doesn't have the slightest understanding of how this poll works or anything else.

You're like someone back in the dark ages... when you see something that frightens you you make up stuff out of ignorance.

When people get sick, you have no idea about virus' or disease, so you attribute it to evil spirits.

If you were aware of how these polls work, you'd never labor under the impression that it could be "made up"

Go to Bravenet and set up a poll yourself. Then come back here and tell me how I or anyone could "make it up".

Otherwise, buzz off. I don't appreciate people making accusations like that.

 
At 1/13/2006 9:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rummlers unemployed status would make it easy to run to each computer in every library in the region and vote for myself.

What a joke.

 
At 1/13/2006 9:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jacobs: $2.4 million, Rumler: 0

 
At 1/13/2006 9:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MAN!!! The Jacobs' can't get more than 14 people to vote for him in this poll, and then all of a sudden the Jacobs monkeys all come flying out of the cage at once in full attack mode with their unique brand of lunacy!

This is quite a display, don't you think?

 
At 1/13/2006 9:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Rummler was concerned about the 36th district while living out east then why wasn't he a Paige for Rep. Lane Evans and the people of the 36th. Being a Paige for someone who doesn't even know who you are isn't that impressive.

 
At 1/13/2006 9:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 9:50... or should I say Mike...

Even more reason to vote Rumler.

Jacobs obviously confuses money with competence.

 
At 1/13/2006 10:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you sitting at your news desk??

 
At 1/13/2006 10:02 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

County Demo... you're a Jacobite for certain. You lie, distort, and your only purpose is to aggitate.

First of all, I don't need you to point out that this isn't a scientific survey, you boob... I've done it myself at length in the post. Too bad you didn't bother reading it.

You goofballs can have your fun. I'm going outside and catch some snowflakes on my tongue.

 
At 1/13/2006 10:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, kind of makes you wonder if it's all the same person posting under anonymous??? Oh wait, CountyDemo is mixed in there too, that's not at all suspicious.

12 minutes, 6 pro Jacobs posts. In 4 days they only received 16 votes.

To suggest that Rumler traveled from library to library to vote for himself is ludicrous. Absolute crap. You know Mike, if the dope wanted to he/she could probably trace the IP address on that slanderous post. And slander is an offense punishable by law.

 
At 1/13/2006 10:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unmask yourself. Stand up and be counted.

 
At 1/13/2006 10:06 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Anon 9:55

I'm only going to tell you this once, so get up close to the monitor. Ready?

The word is "PAGE"... not "Paige" as you've spelled it now at least 8 times in several comments all over the blog.

If you've come up with another stupid attack on Rumler, for the love of mercy, at least try to appear literate.

We all make spelling mistakes... I sure do. But this is just ridiculous.

Are you using spell check and then not recognizing when it substitutes the wrong spelling?

I hope you figure it out.

 
At 1/13/2006 10:13 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Anon 10:04...

I already know exactly where this crap is coming from. What amazes me is that the people just don't seem to care, as if they're immune from any blowback.

I just consider the source. It's not worth my making a case when they're making it so well and so permenently themselves for all to see.

 
At 1/13/2006 11:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dope,

Keep up the great work. The poll was a solid idea that definitely opened a few eyes. The only downside is that it unleashed the ugly face of Jacobs' hate machine. But, then again that may be a good thing as more people see their true colors.

 
At 1/13/2006 12:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dope:

Good effort with the poll. Very interesting results. And very interesting comments from some of the partisans.

 
At 1/13/2006 12:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is very apparent that the Jacobs DO care about this blog and the out come of the poll. Anyone who says otherwise is completely off their rocker. In any situation, if someone becomes completely defensive (like the Jacobs camp) they are usually lying or upset. Why else would they spend hours this morning posting as anon. defending Mikey? The Jacobs need to reduce the amount of nonsense they perform. They are absolutely ridiculous.

And on the topic of WIU, isn’t the total price for the development of the campus 50-60 million? 2.4, last time I checked, isn’t really that close to 50-60 million. Please stop acting like you did some wonderful thing for this community…it is the start, but let’s see if the entire project comes through. That will be the test!

 
At 1/13/2006 12:18 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Romkey.... thanks... and welcome.

I almost feel like I should be wearing a straw hat and a red and white striped coat barking to the crowd to step up and see the show. Come one, come all, bring the little lady. You there! See the Jacobite's froth and snarl. See them misquote text and try to sound like they know what they're talking about. What will they come up with next? Two bits and you'll find out. Guaranteed real or your money back! Pregnant ladies and heart patients will not be admitted.
You must be this tall to be admitted due to the depth of the BS. You've got to see it to believe it folks!

 
At 1/13/2006 3:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

None of this answers the question. If Rummler was concerned about the 36th district while living out east then why wasn't he a Paige for Rep. Lane Evans and the people of the 36th.

 
At 1/13/2006 4:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Come out Paul!!

 
At 1/13/2006 4:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come out of the closet!!!

 
At 1/13/2006 4:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why did Paul turn his back on Rep Lane Evans and the people of the 36th while living in Washington just 3 short months ago.

 
At 1/13/2006 5:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The president of WIU disagrees with you Paul.

 
At 1/13/2006 5:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me? Slanderous post. Paul you running this blog is slanderous to us all.

 
At 1/13/2006 6:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 15:27

You're an idiot. Ah... there. Now I feel better. I don't see why I should pull my punches when it's clear to everyone and their mama that you are exactly that.

If you've got nothing semi-intelligent to say about the poll results, then stop littering the comments with your stupid,lying smear attempts.

Save it for the campaign. People should see how you operate.

Rumler is not, and never has been a "Paige" as you so illiterately put it.

And as you surely should know, a hill staffer doesn't get to pick and choose who he works for.

Also, in your constant attempt to cast aspertions (something, I might point out, that Rumler and his supporters have never stooped to, despite your endless lies and distortion of his record) you ignore the fact that if one has a chance to be a staffer for the House Whip, it's a more desirable job than working for Lane Evans. (nothing against Evans.)

The very obvious fact that you've got nothing to say about Rumler and must resort to lying and scum-bag smear attempts is really telling, both to me and to the people who've seen it.

Instead of trying to win ugly, how about you try to actually impress people with your thoughts and actions rather than insulting everyone with your constant attempts to sell us a bunch of hooey?

Just because you come from a long line of old time politicians doesn't mean you have to act like Huey Long. This ain't the 30's.

Just because you got your ass handed to you in this poll is no reason to have more of your childish tantrums.

Get a clue. Or perhaps you should BUY one with the big bucks you love to brag about.

 
At 1/13/2006 7:05 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

As some may recall, our old pal Sham a lame-o ding dong left in an indignant huff some time ago, telling us he'd not be reading THIS blog anymore.

Well as expected, he's still reading and saw fit to comment on the poll today.

His comment was typically written as if he knows things he doesn't, and suggested that this poll could be easily gamed just like the old ones, therefore dismissing Jacobs' sound drubbing.

His cock-eyed theory is that all kinds of people out there desire, seek out, download, and install software to supposedly hide or alter their IP address, conveniently ignoring the fact that most readers didn't even know they HAD an IP address. Apparently he thinks so many people have done this that it renders the poll results false.

He seems to think there were "thousands" of responses to the old polls (utterly false) while this one only got a little over a hundred, using this imagined fact to say that the poll's results are wrong somehow.

There's a few problems with these poorly thought out attempts to dismiss the poll.

First, each vote was reported with an IP address. I challenge ding-dong to point me to any free software that allows a person to change their IP address at will.

And I assume that, as he did during the past polls, he's suggesting that firewall programs mask IP addresses which would allow one to vote mulitiple times, as was the case with the old poll service.

He's simply wrong with this one too. How do I know? Because I run the Zone Alarm firewall program and my computer is invisible to any connection attempts. Yet the poll service logged MY IP address when I voted. (which wasn't for either candidate, by the way)

So much for that assertion Sham.

Secondly, I blocked IP addresses which had voted more than once. Though I didn't realize it at the time, this blocked even the root address, so anyone even near that address was blocked completely. If one person voted more than once, their IP was blocked and the entire network they were on was blocked as well.

There were more than one complaints about this, so I know it worked this way.

And most importantly, his logic is muddled and flawed to argue one second that the vote count was too low to be believed, and the next argue that all sorts of people can fake their IP addressees and vote tons of times, which of course would result in inflated number of votes. Has to be one or the other Sham... can't have it both ways.

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel when your own arguments contradict themselves.

Nice try Sham. Can we expect you won't be reading this blog anymore again?

Despite your silly attempt to suggest the poll results were invalid and your going back on your little hissy fit promise to not come here anymore, I still wish you luck on your campaign.

That may explain your willingness to suck up to the yahoos who leave all the stupid juvenile comments and goofy smears and lies. But one would think as a big underdog yourself, you'd be more charitable to another.

 
At 1/13/2006 7:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember five days ago when you said that you were going to leave Jacob's out of your site. And the next day you run this sham poll to get ratings. Well it worked. Envoke his name when you need to.

 
At 1/13/2006 7:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are missing the point. It's not that this chat poll is slanted its that you have made it up. Only you control what numbers you report and since you are anon there is no way to validate any part of it.

Unmask and validate.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!!

 
At 1/13/2006 7:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe that Rumler is now smearing Lane Evans and the good people of the 36th.

 
At 1/13/2006 7:27 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Hmmm. More rather daft logic from the Jacobites.

You're always quick to produce the egotistical fantasy that only Jacobs could possible drive traffic to the site.

First of all, there are no "ratings" in blogging. Traffic count or visitor count, yes, ratings, no.

But I get your drift.

I find the constant whine that I mention Jacobs to bring traffic to be pretty funny, considering that any increase in both traffic and comments which result from mentioning him .... now listen close..... is from all of you Jacobs folks posting dozens and dozens of insane attacks attempts and other dreck!!!

It's YOU who increases the traffic, and it's YOU who is responsible for the surge in comments.

90% of the comments are your boring attacks and the responses to them.

When you show up, discussion and rational debate go out the window, which is why I should probably just toss your stuff rather than publishing them.

But part of me feels they're so ... um... unique... that I really shouldn't keep them all to myself, but should share them with the world for better or worse.

Them's the facts. Kind of let's the air out of that attack when you're the very cause of the thing you whine about, eh? When you're essentially complaining about yourself?

 
At 1/13/2006 7:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congressman Lane Evans is a friend of mine and now that Rummler is putting negative cvomments on this blog I would never vote for him.

 
At 1/13/2006 7:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been reading this site for some time now and have enjoyed the banter. I feel that you bringing up censorship has caused me to write my first piece. This is not what I expected form you. Shame on you!!!

 
At 1/13/2006 7:49 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Ahhh.. and here's the dim bulb again...Anon 19:22 right on time, and with all the telltale signs of being from the "Headusher" family of boobs. What has he brought us this time, huh?

Let's see.

..You are missing the point. It's not that this chat poll is slanted its that you have made it up. Only you control what numbers you report and since you are anon there is no way to validate any part of it.

Unmask and validate.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!! ...

OK... I think we got that phrase the first 4 times you used it today.

Let's examine this half-baked argument, shall we?

He love repeating phrases he thinks are damaging. Just like Karl Rove or other similar scum-buckets. "chat poll" is one, the "pay no attention" is another.

The charge is that I control the numbers I report and am "making them up".

How can someone be so utterly stupid? No, don't even try. Only God knows the reason he saw fit to give people minds like these. It's his business I suppose.

At any rate, what our half-baked friend has ignored is the actual poll results shown in the post which clearly shows the results as recorded by the polling service. These numbers include all votes cast, including those who voted more than once.

As any moron can see, even before removing the overvotes, Rumler still beat Jacobs like a rented mule. Humilated is a word that comes to mind. And though I pointed it out in the post, this guy apparently can't read and ingored the part where I point out that the difference in results between the reported vote count by the blog service and the adjusted vote count with overvotes removed is less than 4% for either candidate.

So.. I "made up" the numbers and they increased Rumler's percentage by about 3%?? This is why he thinks my numbers are "made up"??

I'd be more than happy to provide all the proof this clod needs, but I'm sure the hell not going to hand over a list of the IP addresses which voted for Rumler to the Jacobs supporters. (they know who voted for Mike. You can almost count them on two hands)

I wouldn't wish these attack monkeys on anyone. They're like some sort of fungus, stone dumb and relentless at the same time.

The only thing worse than someone who's stupid is someone who's so stupid they can't recognize it even when it's pointed out to them, or worse, who knows it and just doesn't care. It's a toss up as to which catagory the person responsible for these comments fits into.

They truly operate on the premise that people are just stupid, stupid, stupid. They think that all they have to do is plant some ignorant thought in their head and they'll swallow it whole.

People know the poll is valid, straight, and impossible to "make up" or alter.

But this won't stop the losers from acting like even bigger losers and trying every dumb trick in the book to attack it.

Let's see how long they keep it up.

 
At 1/13/2006 8:01 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Anon 19:37. Excuse me, but... HUH?

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

I think these guys missed their calling. With their love of making up phony bs "letters" from made up people, they should be writing letters into the Penthouse Forum.

That one sounded a lot like, "I'm a student at a small midwest college", doesn't it?

This is a good sign. They usually don't resort to the "I'm a long time reader who enjoys the site, but now that you're being mean to Mike Jacobs, SHAME ON YOU!" crap until they've pretty much run the string on all the other lies they can dream up. Maybe they're running out of steam?

And notice too, just how they've contributed to the discussion of this poll.

In this goal of theirs, they've been successful. Prevent any real discussion of the poll by overwhelming the comments with crazy crap which goes all over the map and back again.

I'd only urge rational readers to please ignore all this and chime in with your thoughts on the poll. I'd hope we could have a decent discussion despite those who seek to prevent it.

Actually, I think I'll provide more space to discuss the poll and simply dump all this BS. Maybe then rational people can feel comfortable to express their views. They may think the poll means absolutely nothing, they may have ideas on why Jacobs lost so completely. As long as they're rational and show at least a minimum of thought, that's perfect.

 
At 1/13/2006 8:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now you have reduced yorself to name calling. This is my second piece. STUPID is that all you can come up with.

Priceless!!

 
At 1/13/2006 8:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mercerman. You and only you new that Lane Evans wouldn't give you a paige position. I can't believe you outed yourself with your venom. Why are so hateful towards Lane Evans.

You seem to attack everyone in your path.

 
At 1/13/2006 8:21 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Mercerman... don't sweat it. It's only 8:20 and this chump is already typing drunk. ha!

"new"?! "paige"?!!!

And "why are so hateful"? haha!

Four lines and almost that many mistakes. Sad.

 
At 1/13/2006 9:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you so interested in grammer you must be a disgruntled newsman!!!

 
At 1/13/2006 9:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now you are talking to yourself as Doper and Mercerman.

 
At 1/14/2006 6:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

burnthe books burn the books

 
At 1/14/2006 8:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow,
whether the poll is scientific or unscientific, it certainly brought out the hounds! I'm not from your district, but from the visceral comments, it appears the Jacobites must be very insecure about their canditate.
For what it's worth, I've seen Jacobs in a work environment before and I'm quite unimpressed with him. The voters deserve better.

 
At 1/14/2006 10:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Mike,

Grammar is spelled with an "A", not an "E".

 
At 1/14/2006 10:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comment moved from clean thread to be with the rest of this guy's...

Anonymous said...

Dope, I sure am glad that you are finally censoring the people that we don’t agree with. There I go talking to myself again.

13/1/06 21:45

 
At 1/14/2006 10:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

#2

Anonymous said...
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!

Are we off to burn the books yet!!!

13/1/06 21:46

 
At 1/14/2006 10:37 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

#3

CountyDemo said...
For a poll to be accurate, every unit in the population must have a known and equal (nonezero) chance of being selected. Self-selected response polls are the most biased and inaccurate of all so called polls.

While polls can be valuable tools, they are too often manipulated by those who use them to inappropriately promote their own personal ends.

13/1/06 21:47

 
At 1/14/2006 10:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

#4

Anonymous said...
Is this how we play the game out east. Pick up my marbles and go home. HA HA HA HA!!

13/1/06 21:48

 
At 1/14/2006 10:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Numbers 5 through 11, left in some sort of frenzy at a rate of one a minute.....

Anonymous said...
Burn the books, burn the books !!!

14/1/06 07:03


Anonymous said...
Burn the books, burn the books !!!

14/1/06 07:04


Anonymous said...
Is this how you run things out east Paul???

14/1/06 07:05


Anonymous said...
You will be suprised how many people will hear and disaprove of this censorship.

Have a great weekend.

14/1/06 07:06


Anonymous said...
When the going gets tough the tough get going!!

14/1/06 07:07


Anonymous said...
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!

14/1/06 07:08


Anonymous said...
The Lane Evans comment was priceless. I will send that right over to the Evans camp.

Thanks Doper

14/1/06 07:11

 
At 1/14/2006 1:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to say it, but I think our state senator is completely un-hinged. Good lord!

 
At 1/14/2006 2:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The polling service reported the IP addresses of voters and by checking them for duplicates, I was able to eliminate those who voted more than once."

You probably eliminated more legit votes than double-votes using this method. That's because the majority of ISPs assign dynamic IP addresses to users when they log on. Then when that user logs off, the IP address is released back into the pool of addresses where it will be re-used by the next person who logs on. Thus, one IP address may be used many times in a day by different people.

Dynamic IPs are almost always used for dialup, and frequently for broadband, so this is no small matter. The duplicate-IP method only works if you assume that the voters all have static (fixed) IP addresses.

If you toss the duplicate IPs, then only the first person who used a particular IP got his/her voted counted.

Not a criticism, just something to mention. Some polls use cookies instead to limit duplicates. This solves the IP problem but introduces other problems: 1. people who dump their cookies can vote again; 2. people who share a computer can only vote once, unless they are savvy enough to do 1.; and 3. some people have cookies turned off, so poll won't let them vote.

 
At 1/14/2006 6:54 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

vita,
thanks for your comment. But I don't think what you explain would have much, if any effect on the poll results.

Here's why.

You mention that "most" ISPs assign dynamic IPs. This is not my understanding at all. As a matter of fact, AOL is about the only one I know that does. I'm sure there may be others, but it is not "most"

For instance, Mediacom, the ISP that covers most of the quad cities, as well as Ameritech and Comcast, the ISPs most voters used, all use static IP addresses.

Secondly, your logic about the dynamic IP thing affecting the vote really make a huge stretch of logic.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of subscribers to major ISPs, or even millions, as in the case of AOL and others.

Yet you're trying to suggest that one of these people came here and voted, then released that particular IP number out of millions, and then, lo and behold, the very next person that it was assigned to, ALSO happened to come along here and vote, thus creating the impression of overvotes.

Let's elaborate on what you suggest.

First, the chance of a voter using an ISP that uses dynamic ISP is even at best. But let's assume they do.

This person then comes to the site and votes, then signs out and "loses" that IP address.

Now comes the almost inconceivable part. You suggest that, hours, or even days later, another person, who also happens to share that same ISP who happens to use dynamic IP addresss, now signs on, and ... out of literally millions of possible IP addresses, the service assigns them the exact same IP address that the other person used to vote hours or the day before and then this person decides to vote, and it reports it, thus showing a double vote.

Frankly, that's statistically impossible. In other words, there's such a tiny chance of it happening as to be negligible.

Some IPs voted as many as 5 times, which under your theory is of course impossible for them to be different people.

The breakdown of overvotes is as follows:
Rumler
20 overvotes from 12 voters...
1 voted 5 times - 4 overvotes
2 voted 4 times - 6 overvotes
1 voted 3 times - 2 overvotes
8 voted twice - 4 overvotes

Jacobs
7 overvotes from 3 voters...
2 voted 4 times - 6 overvotes
1 voted twice - 1 overvote

So under your scenario, even if the impossible happened and two people got the same IP address assigned and they both happened to come to the site and vote, it would only add one vote for Jacobs and 4 to Rumler.
While it's impossible, as I've explained, even if it were the case, it would make Rumler's margin of victory slightly larger, not smaller.

The fact also remains that, other than affecting the vote totals, they had next to no effect on the result of the poll.

If you pay attention to the post and compare the total votes reported by the poll service (which include overvotes) and the true count (with the overvotes removed) you'll see that as far as percentages go, Rumler and Jacobs vote percentages were changed less than 4%.

Total votes:
Rumler 79%
Jacobs 19%

Totals with overvotes removed:
Rumler 81.82%
Jacobs 16.16%

Not a huge difference, don't you agree?

Even if your theory were correct, and I think you'll agree that it's all but impossible, the fact remains that the results of the poll didn't really change that much by removing the "overvotes"

I appreciate your comment, and I can see how you might think the dynamic IP thing might be a factor, but if you think it through, you see that it would be statistically impossible, it's almost impossible to imagine that it would play any part in affecting the vote.

 
At 1/15/2006 2:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They say Jacobs went to University of Iowa? If I were him, I'd ask for my money back!! The guy is functionally illiterate.

 
At 1/15/2006 12:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sure Paul, anything you say!

 

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