August 8, 2005

Begging the question

Our illustrious commenter "HeadUsher" recently spake thusly:
Here are the facts boys, Speaker Mike Madigan did not come to Rock Island to convince Mike Boland to run for reelection, as that had already been determined.

No, Speaker Madigan was here to convince Congressman Lane Evans, Chairman John Gianulis, and young Senator Mike Jacobs not to take Boland out in the upcoming Democrat primary. The fact is the three men were ready to dumpr Boland and Madigan called the "pow-wow" in a last ditch effort to protect his investment (Boland)!

Now that the long nightmare has ended, look for the three legisltors to work as a team. Finally!!!!

That smells like victory to me!
(multiple spelling errors included as in original)

Having just re-read the above, I realized that it left a rather interesting question unanswered; just who were you all plotting to run against Boland in the primary in order to "dumpr" him?? Just who was the guy (or gal) whose candidacy you were so certain would take Boland out?

And if you're all so confident this candidate would certainly beat Boland, why not support them to run anyway? Or like the Godfather, did Madigan make you an offer you couldn't refuse. Was it just easier and cozier this way? I guess at least in this instance, the Republicans have nothing over the Democrats as far as party discipline goes. Everyone's Madigan's willing b*tches it seems.

Please enlighten us HeadUsher. Inquiring minds want to know.

This must be a huge relief for Jacobs, as he avoids the thing he most feared, a Boland primary challenge. Madigan is the one who dictated the conditions here by stepping in to save Jacobs and Boland from themselves. And apparently, even though Boland backed down and decided to run for Rep, this still wasn't enough to keep the snarling Jacobs hounds at bay. They were still eager to attack him even though he'd backed away from challenging Jacobs for Senator. So Madigan had to step in as the adult and separate the children, assure them he loved them both equally, and admonish them to play nice... or else.

As far as Boland, Jacobs, and Madigan go, it's a win, win, win situation. But it was Madigan that got the two to kiss his ring.


At 8/08/2005 6:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahern or Mc Neil.
pick one. The other, well will have to fend for themselves. (and I am sure either can survive)
Give them the financial baking to win, and they win. I have said this before, they are two solid candidates, both young, both part of the RI County team of indivduals who represent the future, and two have have way more positives then negatives going for them. Anyone have 500K laying around? give one of these two a call... or it's status quo as it goes..

At 8/08/2005 6:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen to anon. Yes, it's all about money and Madigan really did not have to come to town to remind folks of that of course.

He just came to try and take some control of things since Boland could have been the one to bust ranks. Maybe he still will.

Jacobs better not try to take any credit for Boland's stuff - or the apple cart may tip.

At 8/08/2005 6:55 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Of course McNeil and Ahern are at the top of the list of people who would be possible contenders to go against Boland in a primary.

But what I'm asking Head Usher is exactly who were they planning to back? Ahern? McNeil? or someone else?

At 8/08/2005 7:17 AM, Blogger diehard said...

If your going to take out Boland on the premise of being Madigan's 'bitch' then you can't leave Pat Verschoore out of this eqation.
That guy is only real concern is holding onto office but he's just like all the rest of the incumbents.
Ahern, I'm telling you this in a friendly way; Get away from these guys! They don't give a shit about you! All they care about is how to use you to their own needs.
Which is a I have stated earlier. The only thing they care about is the money they make being Represenatives and Senator.
Everything else, whats best for the state/country= secondary.

At 8/08/2005 9:33 AM, Blogger theheadusher said...

First of all, I am offened by the term "B*tch." Your use of the term shos ingnorance.

Well, I can't speak for the Senator, but I will tell you what I have heard.

1) I heard that Pat Veronda was the candidate. Apperantly, Veronda was favored by Congressman Evans, Chairman Gianulis, Chairman Bohnsack and Senator Jacobs.

2) It seems Speaker Madigan has one hard and fast rule --- he supports his incumbents right or wrong! That means "big bucks" and "big troops" for any incumbent being challenged. Althought Evans, Ginaulis, Bohnsack and Jacobs were confident that they could defeat Boland, they questioned at what cost?

A battered and bruised Boland could easily have led to a Republican challenger winning the seat. As would a battered and bruised Veronda. The men felt it far better to keep the seat in Democrat hands than Republicans.

In the end, Boland's opponents theorized that this was likely Boland's last term. In as much as Rock Island County is only one of two areas outside Cook County that has a Congressman, state Senator and two Reps., local leaders had to ensure that the seat remained in Democrat hands.

Now that you know what I heard, please ask a Boland supporter what they heard their guy won. Other than the right to return to his safe house seat.

Besides agreeing to a "truce" with Boland, Senator Jacobs reportedly won financial support for Congressman Lane Evans, and for Boland to repay the $2,800 that he took from John Gianlulis and the local GOTV fund.

Now that the deal is done, look for Boland to pubicly endorse Jacobs and visa versa.

Comprimise is not a dirty word, it's how you get things done!

After speaking with Senator jacobs last week, I sensed that he was relieved. For he said, "there is no greater victory than averting a needless war." To the victor goes the spoiles!

Ask maybesomeday (Mike Boland) why he rollled over and played dead for a weak candidate like Senator Jacobs?

At 8/08/2005 10:01 AM, Blogger hud50 said...

I'm positive that Veronda lives in the 72nd District. She worked for darrow last time.

At 8/08/2005 11:13 AM, Blogger diehard said...

Yea those silly elections that some people that live in democracies have.
Headrusher for someone who is supposed to be so patriotic how in the world can you say that denying the voters a chance to pick their representation is a victory.
And frankly I'm disappointed in Lane Evans if he has had to sell out to the Jacobs money that has been raised from lobby groups that Lane would never agree with!

At 8/08/2005 2:14 PM, Blogger diehard said...

you know headrusher you have given me a fantastic idea.
In 2008 lets just let Bush pick his brother Jeb to be his succesor!
It will save us all the money and trouble of an election!
Whoopee a what did you call it? 'A War' has been averted.

At 8/08/2005 2:35 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Obviously, HeadUsher would rather lie about which candidate they had in mind (if any) than reveal the truth.

And the Jacobs ego is absolutely out of control if they think that Boland decided to run for Rep solely because he was somehow scared away from challenging Jacobs. If this is the "victory" you keep crowing about, it's rather sad.

Even if your conjecture was true, how pitiful that you'd feel it was a victory for Jacobs to avoid any challenge at all from anyone.

As to the use of the term bitch, those crazy kids these days use that term to denote someone who jumps when someone else tells them to. So if the shoe fits....

At 8/08/2005 4:20 PM, Blogger theheadusher said...

"To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consist of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

In war, then, let your object be victory, not lengthy campaigns."

- Sun Tsu

At 8/08/2005 8:06 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Gee Usher, I mean Mike Jacobs, I guess it's easier to copy someone else and pretend to be what you are not instead of being yourself.

You still don't really know what you want to be when you grow up do you??

At 8/08/2005 9:23 PM, Blogger diehard said...

Headrusher no matter how you try with your sickening spin on this thing there is only one person who benifits, MIKE JACOBS WHO GETS A PASS!

At 8/09/2005 7:10 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

HU's crowing about this so-called "victory" is like a student weasling out of having to take their final exams and still being allowed to graduate, then walking around bragging about it as a victory. It's extremely tacky and almost embarassing to hear someone actually being proud of skating out of something they'd normally be expected to achieve on their own.

It's as if you're caught and charged with a crime, and someone pulls some strings and you get out of it with nothing or a slap on the wrist. OK, fine. But you sure the hell don't go around bragging about it like it's a personal achievement. How crass and no-class is that?

At 8/09/2005 9:50 AM, Blogger diehard said...

Dope Its the same as the Republican party telling lies. Keep repeating it at least 10 times and eventually in people's minds it becomes a reality even if it is not reality.
So the 'victory' or the ol time incumbent state rep Verschoore that was appointed that has done such a wonderful job.
I keep getting these ridiculous direct mailings from Verschoore. Spare Me! At least until the election season.
Or Mike Jacobs with his endless fundraisers for what? He may never have an election.
His Dad has made sure that his less than capable son will never have an opponent then why at $225,000 and counting does this guy need money?
Is he going to pull a Joel Brusvold and spend it on himself?

At 8/09/2005 6:27 PM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

Dope, I don't smell anything like victory here -- as HU says breathlessly.

All I smell is a bunch of bull crap.

Mike Jacobs or Headusher or whatever the hell he calls himself today, yesterday or tomorrow -- can, in the imortal words of Flo at the Diner, on the old TV Show "Alice" used to always say, "Kiss my grits!".

At 8/09/2005 7:07 PM, Blogger theheadusher said...

"The best thing of all is to take the enemey's country whole and intact."

- Sun Tsu

No doubt about it Diehard, Mike Jacobs is the big beneficiary of Boland's withdrawl.

I agree with you Dope, Senator Mike Jacobs is a skilled politcal leader. When I questioned him (Jacobs) regarding your negative assertion, Senator Jacobs replied, "Headusher, does DOPE have any idea how hard it is to subdue a politcal opponent without fighting a single battle?"

Diehard, the state of your mental health is a serious question. You are obviously envious of Mike Jacobs. It's almost as if you want to be Mike Jacobs. If your not envious of Mike Jacobs, perhaps you are envious of Senator Mike Jacobs and the title he won. If it isn't envy, perhaps it's jealousy Diehard.

Either way Diehard, you need psychological counseling!

At 8/09/2005 7:19 PM, Blogger theheadusher said...

As much "crap" as you boys swallowed over the past few days, I am pretty sure that you know exactly what it smells like. Enjoy your yourself boys!

At 8/09/2005 8:26 PM, Blogger diehard said...

Jealous? Well hey to say I wouldn't like someone to hand me $225,000 I'd be lieing to you.
To want to be Mike Jacobs....not so much.
Mark Sweibert is who I want to be!
The Republicans are tight with him and doesnt even have any power.
It must be the talking like a Webster Dictionary thing.

At 8/09/2005 8:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

head usher - I can't believe jacobs would utter such a stupid quote. Yeah, he "subdued" somebody. Crap. The quote is as stupid as you art of war nonesense.

At 8/09/2005 9:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

theheadusher said...
As much "crap" as you boys swallowed over the past few days, I am pretty sure that you know exactly what it smells like. Enjoy your yourself boys!

Forgive us for believing a single thing you said HU/Mike Jacobs.

We'll never make that mistake again.

Thanks for mocking those that actually took you at your word. What a stupid mistake that was, huh?

At 8/10/2005 6:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Usher - you are the one who wants to be Mike Jacobs.

Or maybe you truely are Mike Jacobs!!! Betcha you are -- hi Mike!

Get some quotes of your own if you can think of any.

At 8/10/2005 9:41 AM, Blogger diehard said...

Here is a quote for you Headrusher
'Never get in a pissing match with a skunk'
Diehard's Dad

At 8/10/2005 10:17 AM, Blogger theheadusher said...


"A good fighter of old put themselves beyond the possiblity of defeat, and then awaited the opportunity to defeat the enemy.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity to defeat the emeny is provided by the enemy himself."

- Sun Tzu


"In the operation of war, where there are in the field a thousand swift chariots, as many heavy chariots, and a hunderd thousand mail-clad coldiers, with provisions enough to carry them a thousand li, the expenditures at home and at the front, including entertainment of guests, small items such as glue and paint, the sums spent on chariots and armor, will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day. Such is the cost of raising an army of 100,000 men."

- Sun Tsu


"I appreciate the comparison to Mike Jacobs, but I am not he. One day I look forward to holding high public office like young Senator Mike Jacobs, but I still have much to learn about the craft. But hey, I appreciate the compliment boys."

- TheHeadUsher

At 8/10/2005 11:26 AM, Blogger JCKDNLS69 said...

Envy...Envy...Envy - If only people weren't so judgmental about our local politicians. I think it would be best to talk about some real issues dope. Like how to draw new business to the area and bringing new jobs to the area. Honestly, This blog is nothing but a glorified speak out page.

At 8/10/2005 11:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Head Usher,

While the words I use may be harsh, I'm trying to provide some helpful motherly advice.

Whether or not you're Mike or JP, you're at the very least close enough to the boys to be their mouthpiece. And unfortunately what you continually have to say just undermines respect. Appreciate that you've been given a job and don't pretend that you've earned it. In other words, please stop acting like a buffoon.

Finally, could you please expand your summer reading list? We're all a bit tired of hearing about Mr. Tsu.

At 8/10/2005 12:33 PM, Blogger diehard said...

Isnt Mr. Tsu that guy from The Karate Kid?

At 8/10/2005 12:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear that Dennis Aherns is running foer representative for sure now. Wonder who else will run? What does headrusher think of that? Headrusher needs a prescription for valium - soon. He is over the top and a detriment to the Jacobs family.

At 8/10/2005 3:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes we all wish the Headusher would go on a long vacation and shut up!!


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