April 2, 2007

McCain, Leiberman right as always... Iraq is going great!

The U.S. military death toll in March, the first full month of the security crackdown, was nearly twice that of the Iraqi army, which American and Iraqi officials say is taking the leading role in the latest attempt to curb violence in the capital, surrounding cities and Anbar province, according to figures compiled on Saturday.
Yet Lieberman and McCain are still crowing about the progress in Iraq. Lieberman, in yet another disgusting utterance, recently said that "at last" there were signs of real progress in Iraq, ignoring the fact that he's been touting how well things are going there for years. "at last"?

And McCain tossed away his last shred of "straight talk" cred by saying that it's so safe in Bagdhad that generals routinely go driving around in unarmed Humvees and people can just stroll around at will.

This at the same time people INSIDE the fortified Green Zone where the "important" Americans hide, were ordered that they should never go outdoors without a flak-jacket and helmet, as several people have been killed inside the Green Zone by recent mortar attacks.

What planet are these folks on?


At 4/02/2007 6:14 PM, Blogger Scott said...

Would Joe just finish the job and become a Republican. It would make things a hell of a lot easier.

At 4/02/2007 7:55 PM, Blogger illinidem said...

NBC is going to air a report that documents McCain’s walk in the park required 100 American soldiers, three Blackhawk helicopters and two Apache gun ships. Some progress. Maybe soon I can take the dog for a walk with just an M-16, some artillery cover and on-call air support.

At 4/03/2007 5:21 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

IlliniDem... HA! Yep, that's all you'd need to say, walk the dog. Sounds perfectly safe to me.

At 4/03/2007 7:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scott, are you insane? Joe L. has an extremely liberal-left voting record. Just because he differs from the rank & file on one issue, you guys all go stupid.

Please do tell us all the other issues where he sides with the Republicans?

At 4/03/2007 7:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, the progress, or lack thereof, is a matter of little more than how many people are killed on a particular day, or month?

At 4/03/2007 12:32 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

I'd question the sanity of anyone who thinks old Smokin' Joe is "liberal/left". What a joke! He's sucked up to Bush at every opportunity and lent him "bipartisan" credibility when he deserved none.

Lieberman has voted and supported the bankrupcy bill which screwed those trying to dig out from debt while still giving breaks to the wealthy when they go bankrupt, he's supported any number of horrible bills bailing out credit card companies and sticking it to the middle class, and he's enabled and cheer-led for this insane war since day one.

You say it's "only one issue". Get real. It's an issue which is so monumental that it eclipses all others, and when Lieberman is DEAD WRONG about it to the point where he makes a fool out of himself every time he tries to make it seem as if things are OK, and otherwise concoct fairy tale justifications for giving war just another chance, it doesn't really matter if he took a few middle of the road positions.

The fact is clearly that the Dems would be far better off if they'd bumped Joe off completely and sent him off to some lucrative job lobbying for Israel or the insurance industry.

At 4/03/2007 4:42 PM, Blogger nicodemus said...

I watched Rep. Duncan Hunter on CSPAN and he just got back from Iraq and he said that things are improving as compared to the way it was before. Say what you want, but guys like Duncan Hunter and John McCain have been to Iraq and they have seen it first hand. Unless I am mistaken, you and I have not been over there.

Hunter and McCain know more about military preparedness and how wars should be fought. It is their area of expertise. Do you know as much as they do?

Duncan Hunter said what terrible policy this House Bill is, with its 15-day delay, pending congressional approval. If we need to send in reinforcements or pull a rapid response, like Delta Force, we are screwed. In short, the bad guys get away. And I wonder: Do liberals even WANT America to succeed ? Let's assume for a minute that things were actually getting better- if we had "turned the corner", would liberal Dems admit it ? Or is the glass always half empty?

At 4/03/2007 10:50 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Nico please.. I hate to see you abdicating your common sense and handing over authority to these people. They aren't "experts" at all! Hunter? WTF? McCain flew planes in Viet Nam and was shot down. That makes him a military "expert"?

To even suggest for one second that either of those guys aren't simply playing politics to promote their own burning desire to become president is foolish in my opinion.

And how can you so easily dismiss what people who REALLY know what's going on say about the situation in Iraq?

Do a couple pompous politicians who absolutely WASTE millions of tax dollars by flying to the fortified Green Zone, and as in the case of McCain, having fully 100 armed to the teeth troops dedicated to guarding him, and 5 helicopter gunships overhead to protect his hide, simply dropping into Bagdhad long enough to have a photo-op really represent expert military knowledge to you?

Surely not.

But the people who LIVE there, not just drop in for a day, know how things are.

Who would you trust to give advise about NYC? Someone who visited there for a few days, or someone who lives there?

The reporters, troops, and others who have been there and actually know what the situation is on the ground are near unanimous that things aren't remotely as described by McCain or other Republicans who seem to desperately want to keep the pipeline of billions of dollars flowing into contractor's pockets at the expense of prolonged death and destruction.

5 years isn't enough? NOTHING has worked, we obviously don't know what the hell to do, and supporting a hail mary desperation move and killing more troops isn't a great idea, no matter what a couple congressmen who want to get on the news say.

What disappoints me is that these guys waste our tax money going over there precisely to dupe people into THINKING they somehow are "experts". Evidently to you and many others, if you fly to Bagdhad and have your picture taken with a few generals, voilla! you're now an "expert" on Iraq.

And this applies to pols of either party.

And I'm sad to see that at least in your case they've been successful.

They'd be better off not going over there at all, and having the millions spent on their transportation and security spent on something other than a PR stunt.

Just how do heavily scripted and sanitized "tours" of a few hours in Bagdhad equate with actually learning anything about how things really are? It doesn't, anymore than say, Bush coming to town for a fundraiser. When he sweeps in and is in and out of town in a matter of hours, does he then have a really good knowledge of how things really are in this area? Hell no.

They're in a bubble, insulated, and learn only what generals tell them, and even then they're probably shielded from the unvarnished truth.

Anyway, you get my point.

And you know, what you may consider "failure" in Iraq is a desireably result if it means extracting ourselves from the level of involvement we've been wasting our time with for 5 years.

The "failure" occured when Bush rushed into Iraq, NOT when those with eyes and ears conclude that it's time to cut losses and stop feeding a senseless meatgrinder.

And as always, until you can explain what "winning" in Iraq is, I fail to see how you can continue to argue to continue to "give war a chance".

At 4/04/2007 3:23 PM, Blogger nicodemus said...

I read McCain's autobiography in the year 2000. McCain graduated from the Naval Academy. He was not a strong student, no. But the fact is that he studied naval battles and modern warfare and he had to memorize the intricate details of battleships and flying aircraft. This was expected of "grunts". Bottom line: I think that John McCain is an expert in military issues. At least I think he knows more about it than the layman.

Is McCain truly honest and objective? You bet. It would be so much easier and MORE politically expedient to take the other side (like his friend, Chuck Hagel) But McCain is being up front and taking a bold stand and I respect that.

Duncan Hunter is a veteran who served in the Army Rangers. He is also the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee. Duncan Hunter was Chairman when the GOP controlled the House. He knows war and he knows about military hardware.

I think either of these guys can look at a battleground and see the situation for what it is.
And I think either of these guys would be a hell of a lot more qualified to be commander-in-chief than Barack Obama. Give me a break.


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