February 22, 2007

Triumph mega-slaughterhouse? Wetlands? The real picture

Below is a map showing the proposed layout of the Triumph industrial hog slaughter operation. It sprawls on several acres of land less than a mile from the Rock River and actually sits on top of portions of wetland as well as drainage tiles, groundwater flow, and sewer pipes which directly drain it's parking lot and other areas into tributaries and on into the river.

This report, "Development Plan; Wetland Deliniation, Proposed Triumph Foods Facility" was prepared by the Terracon firm of Naperville, IL and shows the location of the proposed plant, wetland boundaries, and existing sewer and drainage pipe.

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At 2/23/2007 10:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great to see that the corp is doing the right thing here for the environment. This is a cautious organization and I respect and trust their judgement. The Pork is going to be very fresh here.

At 2/24/2007 1:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As will the sewage, oil, and God knows what all as it floats into and down the river.

Bet those folks living along the idylic Rock River can't wait to smell and see that fresh pork drifting lazily by their front yard, not to mention all the goodies that can't be seen but make fishing obsolete by getting the fish to float to the top.

At 2/24/2007 10:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you saying that the corp is a bad dishoinest organization or could it be that the corp is right and you are wrong? Anon 2/24/2007 01:57:13 AM. I trust them with their fancy degrees and book learning as to your uneducated the sky is falling technique.

At 2/25/2007 11:41 AM, Anonymous Bigbrother said...

The Corps would never bless a project if it was going to hurt the enviroment.

Enviromental Protection Agency Director Doug Scott personally oversaw the their review of Triumph and also found it met and exceed all enviromental standards.

It's good to see independent sources put this question behind us.

At 2/25/2007 12:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And of course, it's nice to see proponents trying to pretend that the question "is behind us" when clearly it isn't.

At 2/25/2007 9:22 PM, Anonymous Allbutshouting said...

Governor Rod Blagojevich, East Moline Mayor John Thodos, Rock Island County Board Chairman Jim Bohsack, the Core of Engineers, EPA Director Doug Scott and State Rep. Mike Boland have all signed off on Triumph. Last week Triumph purchased the land, obatined the permits and hired a contractor. All systems for the $110,000,000.00 project are go!

2,000 new jobs here we come!

At 2/25/2007 11:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not only do those standing to profit from this wildly inflate their statistics, they're egotistical gloating really pleasant. Gross.

Say goodbye to the Rock River as generations have known it.

At 2/26/2007 2:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is a shame to see people be shown all the facts from groups from the Corp to the EPA all sign off on the project and see that a small handfull of people who are not in my backyard mentality have not accepted the fact that this is a sound project. This is the problem with Blog's. People post what they want and I have yet to see anyone say that their mind had been changed by anything or anyone ever said on a blog. These organizations are the tops in the field and I believe that to not learn from the experts shows a stuborness that is just pathetic.

Anon 2/25/2007 11:19:49 PM will you ever accept the truth about this or any issue.

At 2/26/2007 2:41 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Everything you condemn blogs about can be said about newspapers or radio or television.

It's simply various people presenting what they know or believe to be the truth or their views.

Blogs are no worse than any other media.

And when is the last time you heard anyone say that their minds were changed because of something they read in the paper?

This issue has two valid sides to it, and to suggest that simply because some choose to believe what they see with their own two eyes rather than what the proponents of the plant put out is no cause to try to blame blogs or blogging.

Blogs like any other media simply provide information, and readers can take it from there.

At 2/27/2007 7:10 AM, Blogger maybesomeday said...

IF there is such a high emotion on this issue - why all the silly anon commenters???

Why not take the time to assign a screen name at least - heck it's still anon that way but at least we can keep track of who hates whom....

At 2/27/2007 11:08 PM, Anonymous The Voice of Reason said...

The fact remains that the only people that hate anyone are the nimby's who are opposed to anything being built in land that they don't own and could have bought and chose not to. These people are now nown as NIMBY and I will be. The Voice of Reason. The voice of Reason agrees that the experts are the experts because they are the most knowledgable and the most learned in their professions. The NIMBY's are the experts of don't build near me because I live near a dump and don't want ayone or anything around me because I live in the country.

Not anymore.

At 2/27/2007 11:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your comment makes NO sense. You sit there and prounounce who thinks what and decide you know their motives.

To do so is silly.

Is it a shock to you that someone wouldn't want a stinky, disgusting, loud, belching hog slaughter behemouth near where they live?

Surely you're not such a moron that you think that the only real reason anyone would oppose that in their neighborhood is because they aren't profiting from the sale of the land?

That's sick. Evidently money trumps everything in your mind. I'm only grateful that wiser people than you have put the environment and the quality of people's lives ahead of pure profit in the past, and I hope they continue for the sake of future generations to come.

You can hug your bank account at night, but it's your descendents, if you managed to produce any, that will pay for your short-sighted greed.

At 2/28/2007 8:48 AM, Anonymous The Voice of Reason said...

The fact of the matter Anon 2/27/2007 11:26:07 PM is that you dont even have the guts to sign in as NIMBY. You complain about smell and stink yet you live right next to the dump.

Second I am in no way profiting from this enterprise.

Third the reference to land is that NIMBY is shouting polution and environment while the top environmental groups in the nation have signed off on this project.

You NIMBY choose to ignore the facts and shout the code word environment every time an environmental group says that this is a sound project.

Fourth if you live in an area that has no zoning and you want to keep your area free of these kind of companies then you and your neighbors needed to pony up some of your low tax rate, I don't live in the city money and bought this land. You had ten years since they wanted the race track, which NIMBY defeated, to buy the land. At least you could have bought some strategic land that would have made it difficult to build.

Instead you and your NIMBY friends stood by and did nothing.

You have only yourself to blame. Your commune was to close to a major city and the interstate to survive. Next time look for someplace more remote for your little commune.

Good day.

At 2/28/2007 4:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to break it to you "voice of reason" but you're arguine with imaginary enemies. I'm not this "NIMBY" nor do I live anywhere near the proposed site.

Sounds like your views on the thing are more some personal beef with another individual than based on facts from both sides.

Maybe if "NIMBY", whoever that is, reads your comment, they can respond.

I oppose the plant for what I consider obvious reasons. It's going to bring thousands of tons of waste and fumes and trucks and traffic and due to it's location, it will be a miracle if they're not dumping thousands of gallons of waste and pollution into the river.

It's as simple as that.

At 2/28/2007 5:53 PM, Anonymous The Voice of Reason said...

Anon 2/28/2007 04:00:20 PM, Get yourself a name if you are not NIMBY. I do expect you are though. Why else would you care about the traffic and traffic. The only people that will be inconvienenced if anyone would be NIMBY. As for the FUmes and the water and waste, the EPA and the corp disagree with you. Do you have some secret info that these organizations do not?

If you do please share or is it just a feeling that you have or the fact that you are NIMBY.

At 2/28/2007 10:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frankly, you're kind of freaking me out with your insistence that I'm some mythical person. And who the hell is "NIMBY" anyway?

No, believe it or not, there are many people who oppose this idea who don't live anywhere near it. Is that a shock? If so, you're more arrogant than you should be.

I'm concerned about traffic because I'm not some selfish narrow minded person who only cares about any issue if it affects me on a daily basis.

The fact is that many issues which don't affect you personally should matter. Like Iraq for instance.

An attitude of "I don't give a damn what happens as long as I don't see, feel, smell, or hear it" is an absolutely disasterous one. If everyone shared it, the country would collapse. (though I notice it's very popular among the right wing)

Who wants the dripping oil and diesel and tons of diesel exhaust wafting into the atmosphere over East Moline?

Who wants acres and acres of semis which sit and idle for hours on end? There'll be a cloud of diesel fumes over the place.

And an endless stream of semi trucks entering and leaving literally around the clock every day and night, with half carrying terrified hogs, each of whom produce a great degree of waste...

Well, frankly, I don't care if that's several miles from my house. I don't want it.

Now you can continue to fight your imaginary foes, but the fact is that I'm not whoever you think I am.

At 3/01/2007 8:46 AM, Anonymous The Voice of Reason said...

Anon 2/28/2007 10:16:19 PM, your inability to get a screen name shows your arrogance.

It is good that you have changed your arguement, now that you are not taking on the corp and the EPA it is easier to defend. Your feeling about lots of trucks with their fumes is rediculous however. I sure hope that the inconvienence of the trucks loading John Deere parts in and out and the rail traffic that keep us from crossing the tracks so many times are not sufficient inconvienence for you to want Deere to move their world headquarters to China as talked about in the paper? I would like to hear your ideas on this.

Would you be against a distrobution center like the one in Dekalb Illinois for Hersy that has tons of truck in and out all day long? I suggest that you need to get a screen name and find an arguement that makes sence.

The pollution angle was better, however the experts disagree with this arguement so you are stuck with the old inconvienence issue.

The other thing that I would like to point out to you is that the Hog slaughter house is east of East Moline. It is about the most easterly area that is still in the QC. And the last time I checked the wind even with all of the global warming is still blowing east. I suggest that you check out the radar on the computer and watch the weather systems move east.

As for the inconvienence of a handfull of people that live there compared to the thousands that this factory will employ and the fresh pork that we will consume, the good outweighs the bad for society. People gots to eat!!!

I hope that you can adress some of these issues and just don't change your arguement to Iraq again. Kids dying for Bush's war is a different thing than about twenty people being inconvienenced by traffic and smell.

Get your priorities in check. This is a disgrace to the family's that have loved ones dying for this country. I am sure that these families would be glad to live next to a pork plant rather than have their loved ones living in a desert and being shot at.

Stop the insanity.

At 3/01/2007 1:18 PM, Anonymous Bacon breath said...

Frankly, arguing with you is a waste of anyone's time.

Now you think the wind blows in the same direction all the time and that the Deere Administration building has hundreds of semis going in and out around the clock. (it has little or NO semi traffic)

AND.. you somehow think you're courageous for making up a screen name. OK.. fine. I'll make one up too. Does that improve my character?

I mean.... how can you argue with ignorance and dim logic like that?

And don't twist my comment to mean that I'm not concerned about the pollution. That's my primary concern. But you'd asked me specifically how come I was concerned about semi traffic so I told you.

From now on, argue with someone else. It's a waste of my time.


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