71st District Congressional Race Discussion
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posted by The Inside Dope @ 6/10/2006
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June 10, 2006
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30 Comments:
Randy,
I must be on another planet. I'm not as passionate about this race as you are, I hope you'll forgive me.
And your fantasies about my motives, etc. are dead wrong, just FYI.
I put up the link to Boland's district just to keep you happy. I guess I failed.
I'm not protecting Boland. If you stopped to think, simply not having a discussion thread link, and then chosing not to put his name on the graphic hardly constitutes some sort of attempt to "protect" Boland. That's simply silly. Sorry.
The fact is that you'd written in touting some "Harrington" guy. I'd never heard of him. I figured it must be a third candidate. I didn't catch that you yourself didn't even know the name of the candidate you were talking about. I assume now that you meant "Haring" and not "Harrington"?
I wasn't going to put up a button with three or more candidate names on it. But now I guess that I've figured out what the hell you were trying to say, and that "Harrington" isn't a new candidate, that I could change it to Boland/Haring.
Anything to make you happy and stop your crazy speculation about what I'm doing and why.
People involved in local politics are by far the most paranoid people I've ever met in my life. I've seen this so far exclusively from Dems, but you seem to show that it's not exclusive to one party.
But I guess state politics is simply an area which is infested with bizarre fears, beliefs, and enemies behind every tree. You could make yourself nuts trying to divine everyone's motives and why they're doing something as simple as adding a link button on a blog, and apparently you have.
The fact is, as amazing as it may seem, is that I haven't paid any attention at all to Boland's race. (nor have I paid much attention to Vershoore's Jacobs' or Hare's in the past few weeks)
Stunning, I'm sure, but them's the facts. I've been trying to concern myself with more important things, as I'm sure the time will come soon enough where I'll have to wade back into the fever swamp of these races.
If I go back now change the other buttons to just their district numbers would you start breathing normally? Or would that set off another round of speculation about who I'm "protecting" etc.?
If I spend another hour changing the button to "Boland/Haring" would that cool you off?
As I'm sure you know, I'm here to make sure you're pleased.
You just threw me a curve with that "Harrington" thing.
Of course, that's pure opinion that the majority favors the hog plant, as is the notion that anyone, minority or not, "has to support" Boland or anyone else for that matter.
Thanks for your opinions.
The hog plant will bring many needed jobs to the QC. As for Boland though he really needs to step aside. His years of Jacob bashing has really hurt him politicly. Boland will win re-election because Harring has no chance. Then next primary the 71st needs to replace Boland in a primary. Maybe Ahern would do a better job.
Craig,
I must note that, speaking strictly about thousands of comments left here and on other blogs, it's bizarre to hear someone condemning Boland for "jacobs-bashing".
The ratio of "jacobs-bashing" from anyone compared to "boland-bashing" comments is without exageraion about 500 to 1 on the Boland bashing side of the ledger.
Jacobs partisans if not Jacobs himself have left literally dozens upon dozens of the most vicious slurs and attacks here over the past year, more than I could count.
I could easily find several examples in minutes.
But I could count the number of times anyone supporting Boland has commented with anything negative about Jacobs on one hand.
Just sayin.
During the last election he told a reporter in the Springfield area that he supported Jacobs in the primary. Then later says he did not support him at all in a press confrence. Why did he change his mind?
Maybe not so much as Jacobs-bashing as just being a sore loser. How long ago did he run against Denny. The man needs to get over it.
Craig,
I don't think anyone has the luxury of deciding to blast one side or the other in this long and damaging feud.
Boland endorsed Denny's Republican opponent a long time ago, and the Jacobs have done everything within their power and then some to sabotage and demean Boland since.
Now exactly where this all started and who did what to who since is beyond my interest and at this point meaningless. But both sides have their hands dirty in the whole thing, not just one party.
Del,
Sorry for the difficulty with commenting. Blogger is tempermental sometimes, but it usually comes to it's senses eventually.
And I agree. I'm sure there's no outward animosity between Jacobs and Boland, and luckily, I think both men are smart enough to know that an overt feud is detrimental to both of them.
But the level of vitriol, disrespect and bitter smears and personal attacks on Boland expressed in so many previous comments left here would indicate that there is still an almost frighteningly strong ill-will still lingering beneath the surface, at least on the Jacobs side, which has been far, far more vocal in their bashing Boland, often with no provocation whatsoever.
The fact remains that comments from those assumed to be Boland supporters knocking Jacobs were so few as to be almost non-existent.
Boland did make it clear that he wasn't exactly supporting Jacobs during the primary, though it wasn't accompanied by vocal and shrill attacks against Jacobs, at least not here or on other blogs.
I agree that feud is from both sides of the fence. I believe that the time is coming when it will be my generation's turn to take the reigns. Maybe that will alleviate some of the fighting.
Scott,
Assuming by your generation you mean the current 20 somethings, I certainly look forward to the day when a new crop influences the local organization.
Of course Machiavelli was right when he observed that those with power never give it up, it must be taken.
The nepotism train can run for a long, long time. But I'm sure that new faces, and new directions will inevitably influence the direction of the party in the future.
And I for one look forward to that day, if for nothing else, simply for a change from the same old thing that's been essentially unchanged for decades.
I think both the times and the situation is ripe for young Dems to truly step forward and start learning the ropes.
Scott,
Assuming by your generation you mean the current 20 somethings, I certainly look forward to the day when a new crop influences the local organization.
Of course Machiavelli was right when he observed that those with power never give it up, it must be taken.
The nepotism train can run for a long, long time. But I'm sure that new faces, new ideas, and new votes may finally break the stale system which all too often concentrates and preserves power within a very small and insular group.
Fresh voices and personalities will inevitably influence the direction of the party in the future.
I think both the time and the situation is ripe for young Dems to make a reall effort to step forward and start learning the ropes, taking positions and working for the party, and hopefully break the hidebound status quo.
I do mean the 20 somethings (we are actually of age now). If you look at any political function, you will see that we are gaining in numbers. It just takes time to gain the allies needed in the party.
Betty, any relation to Waylon, by any chance? Just curious.
Did Mike even vote on the pig plant?
Betty must be from silvis the only town that didn't like jobs.
Craig, you're a bit too glib on this one. There were, of course, numerous and leglitimate reasons to oppose locating the vast Triumph plant near Barstow in a flood plain next to a river.
It's not just about that magic word that fogs men's minds, and which is thrown out like some sort of magic bullet justification for anything, "Jobs".
THis race will not be anywhere near close. I say 70-30.
OK, first of all Randy...
What the hell does Vietnam have anything to do with this?
Second, John KERRY ran for president, the least you could do is leanr how to spell the man's name. You seem real ejewmacated (yes that is sarcastic) when you say that.
Boland's campiagn staff if awful pushy and it seems as though they think they are on top of the world because they are from the IDP.
I like Mike a lot but his campaign staff may prove to be a detreiment. I still say he pulls this off by 3 or 4 points.
after the way the republicans have handled harings second run at boland, i will vote for mike boland harings not the change we need if cross and the natinoal republicans campaigns are any indication.
Craig, A few words of advice ...
1. If you are not supporting any Republicans in these Mid-Term elections and consider yourself a Democrat then stop bashing Democratic candidates and their staff.
2. Conduct Primary election discussions during a Primary election year.
4. Stop talking and listen more.
Anon,
I have not bashed any candidates... Mike Boland is a great man. Whenever I have visited Springfield he has been willing to talk to me, likewise back here at home. Mike is terrific, and I am proud to be represented by him.
As for the staff, they are three people from IDP, Mike Madigan's staff. The only real experience I have had with all of them was at Drinking Liberally in September. At this meeting they continued to talk about why Mike's race was so important and that Phil Hare's race was unimportant. I do not agree with this, I understand they are doing a job, but I feel it is them that are bashing a candidate. I wish I did have more time to help out Mike, but I feel that taking back the Congress of the United States is more important than retaining a seat in the state house. They don't feel this way, and they had no problem voicing it, and honestly it offended me and I am sure many others at the event.
Of course I like Mike. I hope he kills Haring, I wish the House Dems would buy him some ads to help fight back against the house republicans, but I don't think they will. I don't know what the primary stuff was about, because Mike ran unopposed,a nd Madigan's staff didn't show up until July. I am sorry annoynomus if you are one of the staffers for Mike, and I offended you, but I felt offended when you say things like Hare's race doesn't matter.
I am not a staffer, and your still not listening.
I know for a fact that Madigan/Boland's staff care about Hare's race.
One more piece of advice, don't assume.
The IEA remebers that Boland quit their union and worked as a SCAB for five years. Taking every hard fought gain they earned, but never paying a single due!
That's the type of thing it is hard for union memebrs to get over.
As well, Boland voted to raid the Teacher Pension Funds.
That may explain why teachers that know Boland seem to be against him.
You know what's wrong with the "boland scab" story? - It's not the whole truth!
As nicodemus already pointed out, Mike's closer to the Illinois Federation of Teachers (IFT or AFT) than the Illinois Education Association (IEA).
The story I heard is that Mike Boland worked to bring a stronger and more active teacher's union into the school where he taught!
It's both sad and pathetic that now some try to twist that against him to call him a scab!
The truth is out there!
It is always polotics and Madigan with this guy. He forgoes the Union because they backed his opponent way back. And now Mike Madigan the man backing his campaign doesn't like them because they are bipartisan. This shows that he is run by Madigan. This is bad way to do business.
Anon,
Care to explain why being supported by the Speaker of the House is "a bad way to do business"
I'm sure we'd all like to hear.
The difference of being supported and being bought are the question here. The speaker has given Boland hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years. This is a problem for our area.
Anon 9:39
You say this is "a problem for our area".
One question: Why?
It is a problem that Boland is bought by the speaker because he will have to do what the Chicago leader says for him to do. This is why Boland has been the lapdog of Chicago. He has passed 15 bills in 11 years out of 230 bills introduced, From the D/A Sun. October 22nd. He can't pass a bill to help his area but I am sure that Boland has voted for much of what the speaker has wanted for Chicago. Boland spends our hard earned money for Chicago.
This is what I am talking about.
I humbly suggest that's a bunch of campaign B.S.
You have no clue what bills Boland passed or that they only benefit Chicago.
You're entire premise is pulled out of thin air.
It might be a bit more serious if it was at least backed up with facts.
You are a FEAK, Dope! You really remind me of an ignorant mope that creates his own reality.
I must admit, I've never been accused of being a "FEAK" before. I'm not sure if I should be outraged or not.
It is kind of funny that because I expect someone to back up their smears with fact that I'm now "creating my own reality".
So, buttmunch, what's the reality I'm missing here. You don't say.
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