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The key in all of this is whether Democratic activists can act mature, keep their civility at an all time high, have a good and quick debate, chose a candidate and unify wholeheartedly behind that candidate for the fall. As one of those activists, I applaud anyone who is interested, I promise not to say anything negative about any of them, and may the best man or woman win.
Great googly-moogly youngdem, you didn't think long enough! I'm not stepping into that line of work. You have to be a cross between a gameshow host and a used car salesman and really be "flexible" with facts and the truth.
I'd be so lousy of a candidate that I'm not sure I'd get my own vote.
I'm flattered... I think. But no thanks.
Anon 2338
Regarding your hope for civility and maturity, I recall for you the words of P.T. Barnum "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the American people!"
Besides, proletariat overthrowing bourgeousie customarily involves whacking at least one Czar in the process.
From your lips to God's ears, but I'm betting the "under"
Tony Cameron
Upper Mississippi River Basin Blog
(UMRBlog)
huh?
Makes sense to me Tony.
Maybe I can translate...
I believe Tom was saying that as far as hoping people will remain civil and speak no evil of fellow Dems, don't hold your breath.
And when the citizens strike back against the ruling elite, they usually have to take down a few people at the top.... thus there is bound to be some opposition expressed here.
He hopes that there's peace and love all around, but he's not betting on it.
There...
Right after all the hoopla in the democrat party, the person who gets to go up against Zinga will have all their skeletons pulled out of their closets.
Is Don Johnston really Mike Boland's campaign manager? Or does someone just make this stuff up?
I think that Denny Jacobs is the only candidate that can get this party back on track. This is turning into a circus.
There is no question that having Mary Boland help officiate an election process in which her husband is a contestant at least projects the image of impropriety.
She would be wise to excuse herself from a process as long as her husband is a candidate. That would be the right and proper thing to do, and I have every reason to think that she is right and proper.
A Rock Island County Democratic precinct committeeman showed me a letter he received today from Don Johnston. It was co-signed by Mary Boland, State Central Committeewoman.
I know she's doing her job, but with her husband all but declared as someone seeking the appointment maybe she should step out of that role to keep the process clean.
In the paper today there was a letter to the editor toughting the nepotism of Philly Hare. To compare Hare and Evans is silly. One started their carreer as a young Lawyer. Hare is an old tired High school graduate and watcher of Evans. This is not a very good comparison.
According to your poll Jacobs is beating Boland two to one and Jacobs isn't even running. Interesting. Will the leader Porter McNeil throw his hat into the ring? Is Pat Verschoore's name still being mentioned as a potential candidate? Is Pat O'Brien interested? Do you think that by Evans endorsing Phil Hare he will have it all sewn up?
Maybe Mary Boland should stay as State Central Committeewoman and Mike Boland should stay as my state rep. That would fix everything about that. I also think that if Mr. Boland goes for the place on the congressessional ballot he should make his rep seat available immediately so they can have a special election to fill it. I don't think you can have your cake and eat it too.
What about Paul Rumler for Congress? He is very educated and knows the ropes in DC.
Why would Hal Baine be at the candidate forum? He thinks he can be put on the Dem ballot?
Rumler could move to Bolands district to get his rep seat.
Mangieri has taken his name out of the mess:
http://www.register-mail.com/stories/040706/MAI_B9FI7ABL.GID.shtml
Verschoore is out and Pat O'Brien is supporting Phil Hare. Lane wouldn't have endorsed Hare if he didn't believe he was the best person for the job. For those of us who know Lane, we know he doesn't do anything that he doesn't want to do.
Lane Evans staff had this planned from the start. When Hare is elected then Evans staff which protected him the last few years will all have their jobs still. All of them will move up the ladder one rung then the process starts all over again. When Hare leaves office he can hand it down to his people. Great work from a great team.
I think Paul Rumler is the best candidate for the job. Beydler and the Dispatch gushed over this guy. He is the best qualified person for the job. He had been a key aid for the Whip in DC. He knows the ropes and has a built in mentor and protector. He would be placed into leadership due to this great relationship. He could bring this district the much needed shot in the arm from Washington that we need.
I have long advocated for Denny Jacobs for Congress. He would be the ideal senior statesman to serve our district. He has a ton of friends all over the district, south and north, and would whip Ms. Zinga in the general.
We need to put some quick pressure on Denny to make the move. It's about our party; it's about our future. Can you imagine how he'd get the attention of D.C. on our behalf? Go Denny.
From a loyal Moline Democrat in SM4
Help!
Where the hell's the candidate forum on April 15? A street address would be good so I can mapquest it. If somebody will just kindly tell me, I promise not to say Bourgeousie for at least a week. It seemed to give someone in here a headache.
Tony Cameron
UMRBlog
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The candidate's forum organized by Don Johnston and Mary Boland will be held Saturday April 15th at Moline Township Hall, 620 18th Street Moline, IL at 10:00 a.m.
Hope that helps.
We should unify behind the chosen one. Lane Evans has chosen Phil Hare. He is our future. Lane will be able to tell Hare what to do and Hare can be Evans eyes and ears in Washington. We have been blessed to have such a dynamic leader that has done so much for the 17th district and now in his time of need it is up to the democrats to help Lane Evans. Call your committeemen and tell them to vote for Hare for Lanes benefit as we have all benefitted from Him.
For you people to not understand that Lane Evans has a serious desease and that his health is in jeopardy. We need to stick with Phill Hare for congress. Lane Evans is the best congressman for us. Look what he has done for us over the years. He is a hero and to not give the job to Hare is an insult to Evans and all that have parkinsons disease.
Someone posted this one on Capital Fax - do you think it's true??
Mike Boland has already been chosen in RI county by the precinct co-chairs Don Johnston and Mary Boland. It’s a done deal and all been sealed with a handshake and a promise for the future for Don,a kiss and state rep appointment for Mary.
Next week we will officially hear who John G. has picked as the chosen on from RI County (and trust me it’s not Boland).
Then the RI County civil war will begin.
Prepare for battle!
I agree about Rumler running for state rep. How far in advance (before the election) does he need to have residency in Boland's district to be appointed to the ballot? If there's time I say he should do it!
M Boland is the best candidate for the job. He is an elected official for one. He has a collage degree for two. He has the name recognition that no one else has in the district. Schwiebert has no name recognition and Hare has even less. The best of the three candidates for congress is M Boland. He was a teacher that touched the life of so many. He was very instumental in getting the hog processing factory stopped in Silvis. He has a ghreat staff and will be able to handle the job well. I believe that Rep Boland will be the next congressman for the 17th district.
Hello! Rep. Boland is FOR Triumph (the hog processing factory) and is working on funds to get them into East Moline. I read it on this blog last week. I had been wondering where he stood on this as there has been nothing in the paper. Now I'm confused. Do you know Mr. Dope?
as posted on the inside dope
Anonymous said...
Mike Boland is for the pork plant. He signed off on millions in State incetives.
6/4/06 09:44
Anon 8:28....
Maybe you should have another cup of coffee before posting.
Your write: "He is a hero and to not give the job to Hare is an insult to Evans and all that have parkinsons disease."
That is perhaps one of the most disingenous, transparent, and silly suggestions made in all of this.
That's simply ridiculous to suggest that if yod don't support Hare, you're therefore kicking Parkinson's patient's in the teeth.
Amazing. And I suppose this is considered "smart" in politics to be able to concoct such an idiotic suggestion.
One things for certain... folks like yourself don't have any respect for people's intelligence and ability to figure out when they're being scammed with phoney emotional appeals.
Sullivan appears to be picking up a lot of steam. His name is being mentioned throughout the district.
I.D.,
Yes, you translated my limousine liberal rhetoric perfectly but you cost me a lot of money. I was working on a new edition of UMRBlog Berlitz for Dummies.
Thank you also for the address which you kindly posted earlier and I cleverly did not print.
RE: Boland and the hog lots. He is going after Francis Bacon's endorsement.
RE: Rich Miller piece. It appears to me he is trying to stir the inert dems around his Base of Operations into action because he doesn't like being so far from it. Thanks for this thread. I check it every day to see if any County Chairmen besides mine are popping off in the press.
I believe this whole thread is an insult to everyone who's ever suffered from Parkinson's, Hog Lots, Unprovoked attacks on foreign countries or hurricanes wiping out our most prominent port city. It's a start.
UMRBlog
Sulliavn is not from Rock Island county and that is the end of it.
We need to endorse someone that will be acceptable to all democrats. Mike Boland fits the bill. He is a watchdog fot the people. No one has given him anything in his whole carreer. He has worked for it like the common man. Don't give this to Evans undereducted friend. I suggest that Boland will earn the position from the precinct committemen. If he gets the chance and the party boss dont get block voting.
If you think that John G is not going to get the pricinct votes and vote them for Hare you are all wet. Evans has spoken and Hare is his candidate. You people think you can change the facts with your stories. The paper can't change the fact so how can you. After John G annoints Phil Hare I hope that you get in step with the rest of us and back Hare for the seat that he has earned.
Anon 9:13
Get over it! This is about the third or fourth time you've written in with your stupid idea that this blog or the papers are somehow trying to change how things happen here.
Where exactly do you get this dumb idea?
Where have I or the papers chosen or promoted one candidate for this?
I hope YOU get in step with the rest of democracy as it's been for quite a while now and stop having a fit if anyone even SUGGESTS that perhaps the process is open to the votes of precinct committee people, as it clearly is stated in the law.
And get over your big fear that TID or the papers are going to take away your precious power.
If it happens, it will likely be due to YOUR arrogance and disrespect for the views of others more than anything done by myself or the papers.
I hear lots of Democrats outside of Rock Island County are rallying to Senator John Sullivan because he's a proven vote getter. Will be interesting to see if John G can clear the field for Sullivan.
I hear Rahm and Durbin are backing Sullivan.
My understanding is that Obama will hug Hare on a comercial this fall. Shure slam dunk. Hare wins! Hare wins.!
That ought to lock up the interracial gay vote.
Shrewd, very shrewd.
It worked for Alexi G.
Mike Boland is not acceptable to all Dems, especially not this one.
Phil Hare is an extremely intelligent man who will represent the entire district well. To imply that there are no competant candidates in this district, by nominating Sullivan is an insult to every citizen in the 17th District. I think that the varied backing Phil has received demonstrates that he is the most electable candidate.
I heard Rep. Boland announced. Is it in the Argus/Dispatch?
Announced what?
He's already a candidate for state rep. He's already said he wants to be picked for Evans' slot.
What's to announce, that he saved a lot of money on his car insurance?
Re. Boland held a press conference yesterday to announce his intentions for the seat for congress (as reported in the Capital Fax)
Boland tosses hat in ring
Wednesday, Apr 12, 2006
Worst kept secret this month.
State Rep. Mike Boland announced Wednesday that he wants to replace Lane Evans in Congress. Now he just needs the support of hundreds of precinct committeemen from the sprawling congressional district.
Evans said last month that he will not seek a 13th term because his Parkinson’s disease is worsening. The Rock Island Democrat announced the decision after the primary election, so the district’s committeemen will choose a candidate to run in his place this fall.
Evans has endorsed aide Phil Hare to replace him, but Boland said he still has a good shot at becoming the candidate.
“I think it’s wide open,” the East Moline Democrat said at a Springfield news conference.
Boland called himself a progressive on social issues but a fiscal conservative who has never supported a tax increase.
So, in other words, he’ll vote for the programs but won’t vote to pay for them.
- posted by Rich Miller
Thanks for posting Rich's stuff over here, but I read that post a couple days ago and thought it wasn't worth mentioning at all.
Who doesn't know that Boland wants the seat? Non news.
You blast the process of how Mike Jacobs was appointed to his seat but I have yet to see how you feel about the potential for appointment to the 71st state rep ballot. Who do you see making that appointment? Who will it be? Porter McNeil? Dennis Ahern? Who are the other contenders for my state rep seat when Boland wins the golden congressional ticket.
The QC Times made it a front page news this morning about Boland officially announcing. He held a big press conference. He is traveling throughout the district the rest of this week to hit every town in it, talking to the precinct committeen. If it's on the front page, it's usually considered news.
Anon above.
I don't care if they consider it news. They can't report it until it's "official".
If Boland wanting the position is news to anyone here, I'll eat my hat.
It's not news in my judgement.
And Anon 16:55.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't feel the need to state an opinion one way or the other on that situation which may or, more likely, may not come to pass.
If you recall, thousands of comments and many posts were written about this very topic when it was unsure if Boland would stick to running for his congressional seat.
It's pretty much been done.
I'm glad you're interested in my opinion on the matter, but I'm afraid that's pretty premature to speculate about.
If it were a Jacobs you'd have PLENTY to say.
Too many people "running" to be on the ballot from RI Co. Leaves it wide open for someone from somewhere else.
Mike Boland is the best candidate for the job. He is not run by the party elite. Lou Ann Kerr, and Dick Leibovitz think that they can get away with telling us who to vote for when they are nothing but puppets to John G. Lets remember to keep our dignity and make decisions on who the best candidate is and not whom we are forced to vote for. No thanks Kerr and Leibovitz.
Anon 8:44
You're right.
And they'd have plenty to say too.
If Phil Hare wanted the position so bad then why didn't he run against Hare. This is the straw man arguement and the Dope bit hook line and sinker.
Anonymous above.
Your comment makes NO sense whatsoever that I can tell.
Please explain... if you can.
Democrats! What the hell is going on?!?!
This makes me embarrassed to be a member of the democratic party in the 17th congressional district.
To introduce myself, I am a working college student who heard about this from a friend.
It seems to me, an average law abiding, tax paying, news watching citizen, that all of you already have your minds made as to who you like and don't like!
You talk about us voters like we are idiots! "Oh who can take this county, and who has what ties." It makes me ill!
Let me give you some inside from the real world! When you are not on the inside, like many of you tend to be and disguise, you rely on the new and newspapers and I will tell you what I see. I'm sorry if I miss any candidates, but i am unsure as to who is all totally in this race (it seems like anyone can just jump in at any ole time [does mr. johnston have a plan to stop this]).
Sullivan...good down state democrat, reminds me of JFK. Very charismatic. However he seems to be pro-life and anti-gay rights so that is a BIG no! he doesn't live in the district either. Zinga would get us here. Get rid of this guy!
Boland...pretty eyes, nice old man, maybe too old. Has his wife in line to count the votes. Does not seem very democratic to me! Get rid of this dirty politician. Besides hasn't he endorsed republicans? I could be wrong, but I think I remember hearing about that
Hare...No college degree. This seems to be what is on the attack. But since when have democrats not supported the hard working average man! He seems like a real candidate to me. Plus, he has Lane's endorement. (ps democrats in this district love lane)I'd vote for him! Stop with your appointing BS. Lane has every right to support and endorse who he wants.
Rock Island Mayor...sorry i forget his name. Seems like a real asshole. I met him once and asked him a question only to be excused by him so he could talk to someone much more important than me. However he is good looking and smart. I've never really heard much about him within the party though. This worries me.
Quincy guy...don't remember his name, but i wish him luck. He seems to be on the right track, but I think this is not the race for him.
Amy...INTELLIGENT WOMAN!!! Women are starting to become good candidates. Plus, our House is not very diverse, it needs more women. I could see her and Pelosi joining together! She hasn't really been out there though. I know much more about Phil Hare and the other guys (sad).
I'm sorry if I missed anyone. So here is my list as an average citizen. Stop your bickering and game playing and please stop talkng about voters like we unvirtuous!
1. Phil Hare (i can relate to him)
2. Amy Something (diversify the house)
3. Quincy guy (aww he's cute)
4. sullivan (nice, but not good candidate)
5. Boland (cheater)
6. Rock Island Mayor (not known enough)
Don't mean to offend anyone! I love all dems, lets start working together!
I was at the forum today the best line of the day was when Phil Hare stated that he didn't have a collage degree and that he was a C student and that Lane liked him that way. Then when Mark Schwiebert whent he stated that we have a c student in the white house right now and that isn't going so wel.. The whole room started laughing. Great moment Mark.
Who has bought the dope?
Or even worse scared the Dope on pushing Phil Hare.
The above is yet another instance of how wrong people's perceptions can be. Some people have written in to say that I've been far too harsh on Hare, and now this person imagines that I'm backing him.
As to someone "scaring" me, I don't scare easy. Just ask the goons who have been trying and every which way they can and failing for months now.
I'd ask everyone who is so concerned with where I stand on this to realize that I haven't suppported or been against anyone in this process.
If you think so, it's in your own imagination, or worse yet, you're confusing the statements by commenters or other people who are quoted in the posts with my views.
For the record, I've never written a word for or against Hare or anyone else, for that matter.
I do think it's ridiculous to suggest someone is unqualified simply because he or she doesn't have a degree, but that applies across the board, not just to Hare, and shouldn't be confused with my supporting or not supporting Hare.
I do hope the precinct committeepeople are free to vote as they wish, and don't like the idea of Gianulis appointing dummy committeepeople in vacant slots and gaming the system. But as to who gets the nod, I'm not backing any one candidate, at least in public.
We all know that the old school guys who happen to support Hare are shaking in their boots and they've written in the most ridiculous, foolish, and unserious crap here (which I refuse to give space to) all because they're furious at anyone who suggests that precinct committeepeople are free to vote for whomever they choose and don't necessarily have to follow Evans or Gianulis or whoever.
One or two also have this weird idea that I'm somehow trying to "control the process" which is simply ludicrous, and gloat about how Lane and Gianulis have things all locked up.
Personally, I'm glad any time these old schoolers freak out and lose a bit of their control. I think it's a very healthy thing. And I know it drives them absolutely nuts, which is a bonus.
It would be helpful to hear more from those who were at Saturday's candidate forum...?
I am an old schooler and I do get upset when you try and tarnish the best name in all of politics. Lane Evans. To say that Lane doesn't have the right to appoint Phil Hare to office is wackey. Evans already has placed Hare into the seat. I saw Phil Hares staff at the meeting and they were waring thank heavens for Lane Evans t shirts. For you not to get behind Phil Hare for Lanes sake is is a very disrespectful and just down right mean to not give Lane what he wants. He has earned everything. Lane has done more for the QC than anyone. Look around and see all that he has done and then tell me that hAre shouldn't be given the job. Get real.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you realize just how idiotic your notions are and that you're making those bone-headed statements just to cause trouble.
I'm having trouble figuring out just what you're trying to do though. It's not clear whether you're actually an idiot who believes the crap you write, or an idiot who doesn't like Lane and doesn't like the Dem old school and wants to make them look bad.
In that respect you're both goofy and unfathomable, usually not a good combination.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you realize just how idiotic your notions are and that you're making those bone-headed statements just to cause trouble.
I confess I'm having trouble figuring out just what you're trying to do though. It's not clear whether you're an a ameoba-brained half-wit and astually believe the crap you write, or a bored dullard who doesn't like Lane and doesn't like the Dem old school and wants to make them look bad.
In that respect you're both goofy and unfathomable, usually not a good combination.
I for one am supporting Phil Hare throughout this process; however I would like you to please excuse Anon 22:59's comment for the sake of others who are behind Phil Hare and Congressman Evans. Unlike this moron, I do not feel that everyone should demand Phil for Congress because Lane is endorsing him. I think Lane has done a terrific job as Congressman and he does deserve credit for what hes accomplished. I don't think going as far to say "We need to support Hare because Lane deserves this" is the correct way to give back to Lane. Cards, flowers, gift certificates etc. is normally the rule of thumb when it comes to retirement gifts. Thank Heavens for Lane Evans.
Thanks Sympathy, for that reasonable post.
You should see the idiotic stuff I've gotten (and dumped) which even goes as far as accusing those who are for an open process of kicking an ailing Lane Evans in the teeth.
Of course that's non-sense, and it's morons like that that actually reflect very badly on Hare's race, even though Hare likely has nothing to do with these cretins. (If he's smart.)
Yeah Hare was to busy figuring a way to get the appointment without having a race. If Lane resigns now as it appears apparent he should, Hare might actually have to get elected by the people and not the party boss and Phil Hares congressional staff. Good luuck to that. Phil Hare is saying thank heavans look how I have been using Lane Evans.
I'm also a Hare backer, and agree that people have been going to far in saying we owe it to Lane etc. to send Phil to Congress. But on the other hand, the Phil has used Lane for so many years and this is just a step too far for him arguments are beyond disgusting. Whoever is responsible for them is a sad, pathetic person. I think their are zealots who have gone too far on both sides. Whatever happened to sanity? Keep up the good work Dope.
I think it's a hoot that some commenters think it's so great that Hare has no college. They tore Mike Jacobs up for having a masters degree in political science because they thought Rumler was better educated. You can't make any of the people on the inside Dope happy! I read the comments and they make me laugh for the most part.
Speaking of Rumler I plan on endorsing him for Lane's place on the ballot. Heard he will be speaking at the other forums. Way to go Paul.
PRC... agreed.
The comments trying to suggest that if you don't vote for Hare that you're personally abusing an ill man in Lane Evans is pretty sick, as is the equally unsupported suggestion that Hare has cynically manipulated Lane, as if Lane were some helpless person with no mind of his own.
These are opinions, and the saying about them applies. Thinking that Hare has been scheming and manuvering and subtly manipulating Evans to get appointed to the seat are not totally beyond belief, but I feel it's going a bit too far to suggest that Lane was helpless and Hare was taking advantage.
And Angelo S., I also can see how you'd feel the way you do. I almost envy you, as try as I might, I find it hard to laugh at the stupidity people send in here. I wish I could find it funny, because in many ways, it is.
But I can't get past the frustration I feel seeing that there are people out there who are so unserious, don't really give a rat's ass about the people of the area, are ignorant about and couldn't care less about the truly serious problems we face as a country, and really don't give a damn about anyone but themselves or the guy they support.
They couldn't care LESS about whether something is fair or democratic or anything else. All they are obsessed with is holding on to power no matter how.
To say it's disappointing is an understatement.
But I'll try to laugh.
Anon 19:00
I didn't see Rumler there. And if he was, he's certainly got a right to be there even if he's not a committeeman.
The meeting was largely open to any democrat, and surely someone who did as well as he did in the recent election would be allowed in to see the candidates if for no other reason than respect and common courtesy.
You didn't see Rumler on the news. He was there though. I do believe that he just ran into a buzz saw in Mike Jacobs. I believe that he can beat Hare if he gets to participate. Johnston didn't want him up on the stage.
The forum was not open to the public. I know Paul and he will be speaking in Canton. He didn't get to speak in Moline because he was late.
I don't know if I want to elect someone to represent my vote in DC who can't even make it so a forum on time. Rumler, step aside and wait your turn
Does anyone have issues with Boland's wife? Don't you think it would be to his advantage to have his wife step down? I, personally, would like to support him but I am having deep and moral issues with it because I feel that he has set things up for himself. Boland! I know you are out there can you convince me that you are trying to run an honest campaign?!?!
If M Boland should step aside then should Phil Hare step aside. Phil is a precinct committeeman, is this a conflict.
Seriously, even though you can't be serious with that comment, if you're having 'deep moral issues' with the fact that Boland's wife is the co-chair of the 17th district committee, you have some thinking to do.
First of all, just how, do you imagine, could Mary Boland "fix" anything to help her husband?
Both she and Johnston are only in charge of organizing and conducting the poll of precinct committeemen. How can she affect their votes?
I suggest that there is no way she can, and therefore, aside from appearances, this is really a non-issue.
If she stepped down, it would look more honorable, and perhaps that's a good idea. But to think for a moment that it's unfair somehow is a stretch in my view.
Anon 16:08
Good point, which illustrates just how far into the weeds these petty squables can lead.
They're all counter-productive and unnecessary in my judgement and only add conflict to an already extremely difficult and confusing process.
If people would plainly see that Lane Evans is in bad shape. For people to go pout and try and keep Lane Evans final wish from being granted is a travisty. Lane Evans has been keeping the Arsonal jobs here. He is doing a great job of getting the I74 bridge opened. These are not made up they are in the Dispatch/Argus today. He also does great good for the Unions. He has helped the unions to flourish and grow in the 17th district. Lets send Lane a get well card in the form of a resounding appointment for Phil Hare.
Boland is a precinct committeeman too - he is the new Bob DeJagher!
I will vote for Hare. After seeing John G. get elected unanimously I have decided to turn my vote over for the good of the party to John G. Whatever he wants I will ga along with. He is the power and we need to make a unified support like we did last night for John G.
Are you suggesting that someone is fixing elections. Very serious accusations.
Anon... you and others seem to have an absolute drive to try to read things into comments which simply aren't there.
I don't see any suggestion that the comment your'e responding to is suggesting anything like "fixing elections"
When there's so many ways to "game" the process, fix is such an ugly word.
Other's have noted loud and long just how John G. and pals have everything in the bag and have pulled the right strings to get those votes in the hip pocket.
Though I can't speak for them, I think the idea of that being the case is what the commenter was referring to.
He says that the John G was voted unanimous and he doesn't buy it. What could I possibly misread?
Anon 7:16
A. Who are you talking about? and
B. If you're referring to me, I'll tell you what you misread.
You've somehow come up with the notion that I don't "buy it".
That's what you invented. OK?
You people in Rock Island really live up to your county name. You are on an island. Wake up. The world, and the 17th District, don't revolve around your county. There's a whole bunch of others of us out here who have a voice in this decision. Frankly, we don't care much what John G. and all of the rest of you self-posessed hacks think. We will pick a candidate who can win in November and be a great congressman for all of us and we'll do it without you islanders. Phil Hare is not congressional material. He will not receive the vote from committeemen outside of R.I. You people need to look beyond your own little cesspool of politics in your county. Some of the statements I have read on here are disgusting and make me embarassed of our party.
Being from Macon County, I relate to a little of the tone of the previous poster "Anonymous 2:27," but this precinct committeeman is definitely voting for Phil Hare. Some of the other candidates have positive qualities, but Phil is a real mensch, a true Democrat, and comes across as someone who cares about families like mine. I don't think he has one eye on a higher office, like most other folk. He's got my vote.
I agree with RFK fan I live in McDonough county and Hare's got my vote. I come from the old school where a Democrat ran as a Democrat that being one who cares about me, the working man. If you are saying that Hare isn't congressman materail you are saying that real hardworking people aren't made to make decission about other hardworking people.
I am another precinct committemen from Fulton county, and phil hare has my vote too.
anonymous 13:20
How's the coffee for Hare in McDonough County coming along? District Director Hare hasn't visited in a decade. Does he still know the way? He ignored us as District Director and now you want to make him our Congressman? Hare is our only chance to lose this race.
To attack Phil Hare is to attack Lane Evans. Phil's congressional staff has been doing a great job for him setting up meetings for him with precinct committemen. Their jobs are on the line and they are working hard for Hare.
Evans is still on the ballot. Doesn't he have to withdraw eventually?
youngdem503
Phil must have forgot to call the Chairman while in town.
Any style would be better than Evans. The best description for Evans is that he has no style. He is not considered a leader in congress. The leaders are the ones who come on strong on their issues. Ever notice how the leaders who appear on news programs and in the well of the House are the ones who show passion and fire and yell and shout. For whatever reason Evans has been considered a great congressman locally. Maybe it was because he helped grandma with her social security case. A real leader would have worked to pass laws to change the way social security offices work so that people didn’t have to come to the congressman for help. Anyone without blinders knows that this area has not been well represented for what a congressman is there for, namely, to help his district economically. Because everybody thought he was a nice guy, nobody took him to task for not getting the job done for his district. Luckily, we can evaluate his effectiveness by comparing the Iowa and Illinois Quad Cities and what has happened to them over the last 25 years. No comparison. Iowa wins by a mile. Leach and Nussle got the job done while Evans slacked on the job and everyone admired what a nice guy he was.
I can't help but note that you seem to like your politicians to be phony grandstanders rather than steady, concientious people who quiety go about helping the people of their district and beyond.
You must absolutely love the TV pretty boys and girls the Republicans throw up, since you obviously value image over substance.
Your preferences are exactly the reason politics, and thus the country and world, are going to hell in many ways. People such as yourself vote according to who can shout the loudest or elbow their way in front of a camera the most.
This isn't leadership or even competence, it's egotism and self-promotion. If that's what you think is important in a leader, you're welcome to think that.
If you're idea of a great politician is a cross between a gameshow host, a used car dealer, and a B-list actor, then good for you.
But all that amounts to is a person more skilled at misleading the public by media manipulation, not actually effective leadership.
Jumping on every phony hot button issue that comes down the pike (think flagburning) to get your mug on TV or in the papers isn't leadership. It's cheap grandstanding.
Style over substance is a modern disease in a world where we're more and more watching what happens in our world as if it's nothing but a reality show.
I think it's the problem, not the solution.
Anonymous 16:57,
You know, I do get the point that people should work with the local chairs when possible. But the time when they ruled the roost has long since past. Appearing at a college young Dems event without calling the local chair is incredibly far from a fatal sin.
I think that after the last forum the cream has risen to the top. Phil Hare pushed all the right buttons. He was for bringing the heads of oil companies and swearing them in. Give them 24hrs. to roll back prices or face a stiff tax. He is the only one that is for this kind of courageous leadership. He also will stand up top the big Pharmaceutical company lobbiests. Not allowing them into Washington. He is fighting for the average man. No one cares if you graduate high school or not as long as you stand up to the oil and pharmaceutical companies. Phil Hare is almost Lane Evans brother and for anyone that is against Phil Hare is against Lane Evans. These great leaders deserve a great victory from the committeemen. Vote Phil Hare for Evans sakes!
Evans has not sent in his letter to decline the nomination because his lawyers are probably trying to figure out what the heck to do.
A Circuit Court Judge has adjudged him to be a disabled adult. In the Petition for Appointment of Guardian they said that he was not competent to sign a power of
attorney, otherwise they wouldn’t have needed the guardianship.
Sec. 11a)2. “Disabled person” defined.) “Disabled person” means a person 18 years or older who (a) because of mental deterioration or physical incapacity is not fully able to manage his person or estate, or (b) is a person with mental illness or a person with a developmental disability and who because of his mental illness or developmental disability is not fully able to manage his person or estate
Since he can’t sign, it is likely that his guardian will have to get the Court’s permission to sign it for him since a guardian in Illinois would not normally have the power to do it on
his own.
Note: Under Illinois law, once a person is found to be under legal disability, a vacancy exists in the office. (10 ILCS 5/25-2(3)).
The catch is that only the Governor can declare the vacancy and call a special election for the balance of the term.
The deadline for being able to call a special election is May 10, 2006. The election would probably be around September 5 with a primary 15 days before.
You know that typical polling question about "__________ cares about me and my family/families like mine?" I think we have some good candidates for the 17th, but I can see Hare polling out of the ballpark on that question. He gives the impression that he's not angling for anything other than being a member of the House, and he has the "fire in the belly" of an old-time Democrat. I think he'll connect with people. Sen. Sullivan clearly has a future, but he has some time, and should focus on the LaHood district when LaHood becomes a federal judge or runs against Durbin or whatever. While I respect them, I don't think Mayor Schwiebert (sp?) or Rep. Boland are really going to connect. That Macon County auditor, Amy Stockwell, has some promise, but the geography is against her.
Plus: I can see Hare taking Zwinga to the cleaners in a debate (though I think others might too).
In response to Inside Dope and Anon.29/4/06 17:52- game show host, used car dealer and B-list actor, hmmm, sounds like this role fits Ms. Zing to a tee!
Now that Don Johnston got the answer from the state board of elections that they can not give direction it seems a good idea to see from attorney Maddigan about us appointed committeepeople. Poor Fulton will get hardly any votes if we appointees are shut out.
The party has a complete inability to think outside of the box - the only solutions that are entertained are from career politicians - with nice padded political resumes. Guess what that tactics has reaped for the Democratic Party - a minority status. When a candidate comes from the outside and offers the party an alternative they are marginalized. With all of the bad news surrounding politics - seemingly on a daily basis - all we can do is focus on the same old models - no innovation, no foward thinking - only politics as usual. While we are offering more of the same - we have an absolute inability to offer a contrast to the Republicans. I have made this point repeatedly during this nomination process with little effect. I hate to rain on the parade, the 17th might be held, but the Democrats will not gain control of the House or Senate - not nearly enough new ideas - the strategy seems to be merely hoping that the Republicans keep screwing up. There is nothing innovative about that at all.
Rob Mellon
www.robmellon.com
Help me here. I'm stuck in the bowels of Adams County and I have no clue about the vox pop in RICO. Is anybody actually going to vote for Schwiebert or Boland?
I keep hearing about this big split but it looks to me like the split is between "Hare" and "Empty".
To UMRBlog 5/11/06 21:36 I think your assessment from Adams County is fairly astute. From my vantage point here in RICO Hare is the candidate to beat. I can't believe the others have any electability.
I only wish that "BIG" Mike Jacobs would have ran. This would have been the best choice for the 17th district. A leader that is willing to lead would be the best candidate. Jacobs is the only one with this qualification.
The pro-Jacobs commenters here make me wonder if Jacobs is a candidate or a cult.
If "Big" Mike Jacobs had run, we wouldn't be looking at losing the Congressionl Seat to guy that doesn't even live in the District. But when Lane "appointed" Hare it was over!
Phil now has the votes, so let's vote them!
Porter McNeil should have thrown his hat in the ring.
Where does Rep. Mike Boland stand on the pork plant? I have heard he was helping Mayor Thodos get Triumph money to come to East Moline (some kind of state funding) but have never seen it in print anywhere. Why were people marching on 23rd in Moline a couple of weeks ago, protesting the pork plant? Because Moline voted for the enterprise zone? I would be interested in knowing. Sen. Sullivan isn't even in the 17th district. Can he really run if he doesn't live there? Why would Rep. Boland nominate Mellon to the congressional nomination process or is that just a rumor our of Galesburg? Is there any truth to all this Mark Schweibert talk about being a republican? Phil Hare is not really a great candidate. Why didn't the party get someone who was really electable for this process?
Mr. Boland asked me if I wanted him to nominate me - I thought about it for a second then I took him up on this offer. I really respect him for that. Maybe he had something to gain from it by taking votes from Sullivan, but that is not his intentions from our conversation. I think it sends a message of solidarity. He thought that I have been in the process from the beginning and that I deserved to be in it until the end. Lucy check out my website and send me a message - I would like to hear from you. Tell me if you think that I am electable after you see the site.
www.robmellon.com
Rob Mellon
I find it commical when people say that this process haelps Zinga. The fact is that every Democrat's name has been in the newspaper almost daily for the past 60-days - while Zinga has been virtually invisible.
Although Evan's effort was clearly to 'back-door' Hare into the nomination, it's side benefit is giving attention to a race that otherwise no one would have cared about until September.
The best thing about this appointment being over with is we won't have to listen to Mellon droan on about himself anymore. He says he will run in two years from now. This loss will make him a two time loser to Hare and we will be officially done with him as he will then be a two time loser.
anon 21:50 (if that's who you REALLY are),
I could stand to hear Rob Mellon some more because at least his arguments are logical.
It's all the blather (as Dope puts it) from what appears to be one, maybe two anonymous poor-spelling clowns pretending to know something about a Marxist Machine in RICO. Garbage like 'annointed,' 'brother,' 'we owe it to Lane' etc.
I now have this image of a an angry, slobbering, union lackie in his mom's basement typing away in every 17th District-related blog as if he's creating some Psyops Campaign.
"Republicrats" from outside Rock Island would do well to pay attention, not mock, our winning methods.
The "Machine" works precisley because we know ensure our people get to the polls and know exactely how they vote. That's why Chairman Johnston, Chairman Gianulis, Congressman Evans and Jacobs have rolled-up huge Democrat victories for the past thrity years.
Rock Island County has but one elected Republican in the entire county, and his time is marked.
Yes, Mellon, your logic may impress you, but what impresses us in Rock Island County is winning. Rock Island County has three canidates in the race. How many do you have? That's what I though.
If Mellon won, he would come hat-in-hand to see the "Machine's Leaders." For on election day the "Machine" delivers Democrat vote by the tnes of thousands.
Without Democratic Rock Island County, the 17th District would be Republican. Whine all day long Mellon, but them is the facts!
Tammany Hall and Joseph Stalin were stars at delivering votes. Chinese communists and most corrupt dictators are great at delivering votes too.
Just sayin'
It's awful disgusting that you admit that you rely on monitoring how everyone votes.
Voting is supposed to be secret, and if it were, your power would diminish tremendously. Not against the Republicans necessarily, but among loyal Democrats.
To hear you put it so bluntly that you rely on knowing how everyone votes is chilling and sounds more like a dictatorship than a democratic process.
I should add that you obviously don't trust your "supporters" at all. If you did, you'd not feel the need to stand over their shoulder watching how they vote.
When people are afraid of an open vote, and rely on intimidation, something's pretty well wrong.
I wasn't whining about anything - the only statement that I made was that I could do well vs. Zinga. As for talking about myself - is that not what a campaign is about? In fact, I would wager that I have spoken about myself less than any of the other candidates. I just happen to do it on the blog, because I like the conversation. I also have nothing against any of the other candidates - I like them. Irrespective of the outcome of this process I will work to make sure the 17th stays in Democratic hands. That being said this is not a traditional campaign - I do not consider this as a loss by any means. I could have easily backed out - I did not want to do that.
"Without Democratic Rock Island County, the 17th District would be Republican." -- Now here's a drooling basement-dweller with an interesting understanding of 17th District Demographics. Makes RICO sound like it's politically isolated and surrounded by Republicans, like that time I played golf in Texas. It also makes it sound like the 17th District is ever-so-close, perhaps a heartbeat away, to falling into Republican hands. Things must have changed dramatically since we drew the 17th District lines, and if it's true...wow, we're losing ground. Give me a paddle to fight back the alligators!
These are not secret votes. They are clearly set up by Johnston to get the party in order by not having a secret vote. Great job brother Johnston. We appreciate your efforts.
Are you saying leaders shouldn't know what their followers are doing? I don't understand? How can you be so backwards. Of course leaders know how and when people vote.
Rock Island County Democrats have perfected the art of the "back-room deal." How else would they keep such a firm grip on process? Back room deals are not inherently bad. Sometimes they make perfect sense -- as in this case.
And yes, without Rock Island County the 17th District would be as Republican as could be. There is not another area in the state besides Chicago, Madison-St. Clair County that run up as big as Democrat votes margines as does Rock Island County. If you don't think it matters, try running as a righ-to-life, pro gun Democrat for Congress and see what happens to your guy in Rock Island COunty?
Of course the leaders trust the Appointers, or else they would not have them sign their ballots. This is done to prevent fraud, and so the leaders can reward those who vote their consious and punish those that don't.
Where did your idea of secret appointing come from? Doesn't the public have the right to know who is appointing who? For you to say this process whould be done in darkness is unAmerican. When Dorthy Craig, Pat Verschoore, and Mike Jacobs were appointed the vote was taken in front of the press. Not a single secret vote was cast in that process, so why should this be any different? What are you trying to hide?
You seem to have a big thing against democracy. That's troubling.
Yes, back room deals are sometimes necessary and inevitable. Someone has to make decisions after all.
But beyond that, your thoughts are really odd, in my opinion.
You think that unless a few strongmen control things with an iron fist, the area would crumble and go republican?
Man.. sounds like you have ZERO faith that people around here simply prefer Dems.
I know it's crucial to have a good organization that works on election day and prior, but I think that could be possible without the "back room" style of leadership.
It just seems from your opinion and views that, unless there were people handing out favors and twisting arms and doling out punishments and ostracism, then no one would willingly work for Dems at all.
That's really depressing.
And your argument against open elections is a bit disturbing too. Isn't the idea, as you say, that people be free to vote their conciences?
You have a rather menacing way of putting it: "Of course the leaders trust the Appointers, or else they would not have them sign their ballots. This is done to prevent fraud, and so the leaders can reward those who vote their consious and punish those that don't."
Just how, if you could, do leaders punish those that dont' follow their consciences? Or is that your idea of dark humor, and admitting that party members better damn well have the same "consciences" that the leaders tell them to have?
That's my point entirely. People aren't permitted to vote their consciences unless they want to suffer the consequences.
They most definitely should be able to vote for who they wish without fear of punishment or in hopes of favor.
You argue that's not the way it should be.
I find that kind of weird.
Unless party members are free to vote for whom they choose without fear, then how can you call it a democratic process.. (or a republic, or anything else?)
If having leaders stand over people's shoulders watching who they vote for is so superior, why not post who people voted for in every election?
Because that would be like a dictatorship, that's why. Yet you argue for this system.
Strange.
And you're a real pip for suggesting that secret ballots is "doing this in darkness" and "unAmerican". What a pile of phony bullshit.
I suppose you must REALLY REALLY hate it when the general election comes around and no one has to sign their ballots or their votes recorded and sent to party leaders.
That must give you FITS.
My God! You feel that the very bedrock principle of American elections is UNAMERICAN.
You really must have some terrific fights with your mental board of directors.
Nice shot Chester, but no cigar.
The following comment was moved from the "When making sense makes no sense" post where it was wildly off-topic.
It was posted by Anon 10:32 at 8:31 a.m. 5-30-06
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I saw Lane Evans today and he was wonderful. He looked wonderful and he sounded wonderful. It is great to see him doing so well. He will be a true asset to Phil Hare as Phil's chief of staff. He will only be a phone call away from Phil to guide him through the path. We need to support Phil Hare. Lanes health is in the balance. If Phil were to lose this seat it would rob Lane Evans from the carreer he needs and deserves. Please vote Phil Hare. It is a true to gift for us all to get Phil Hare and Lane Evans working together for us. We owe it to the man that we can call a freind Lane Evans.
Again, the same commenter left a totally off-topic comment which should properly appear here.
Anon 10:32 has left a new comment on your post "Gee, ya think?" 5/30/06 13:16:
In 5 days John G and Don Johnston can unveil the new appointee Congressman Phil Hare.
The following moved from Evan's appearance thread due to it more properly belonging here.
Now the votes will surely come in for the one and only Lane Evans. Phil Hare in a landslide.
Posted by Anon 10:32 to The Inside Dope at 5/30/2006 05:46:15 PM
This political pitch was moved from Evan's appearance thread to where it properly belongs.
IT made me even more sure that Lane knows what he is doing in endorsing Phil Hare.
We need someone who is worthy of continuing to fight for us like Lane -- and that someone is Phil Hare!
Lane has always been there for us and it's nice to know that we can get the same support when Lane is not in service --and Phil will bring that same level to our district!
Posted by maybesomeday to The Inside Dope at 5/30/2006 06:34:30 PM
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