Getting nothing but obstruction and little cooperation from the federal government, Louisiana Governor Blanco has reached out to Clinton FEMA head James Lee Witt for help.
posted by The Inside Dope @ 9/06/2005
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realizing her own dismal failure maybe, you're a joke tell the whole story.
Fuck you asswad.. . you've got plenty of space here, why don't you tell us your version of reality. It should be really interesting.
Just be sure to provide sources. (and no, NewsMax or Fox don't count.)
1. Bush called for the mandatory evacuation of everyone in New Orleans before the Governor or Mayor. http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisiana/index.ssf?base/news-18/1125239940201382.xml&storylist=louisiana
"NEW ORLEANS (AP) — In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.
The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.
Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding.
2. All pre-evacuation plans for New Orleans called for bussing and assistance to those who do not have private transportation. http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf
"The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating." "Previous hurricanes evacuations in New Orleans were always voluntary, because so many people don't have the means of getting out. Some are too poor and there is always a French Quarter full of tourists who get caught."
http://junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_08_28.html#004752 found this gem
3. Keeping in mind this hurricane plan that was not followed, take a look at the picture of the 255 buses, which I picture yesterday at Junkyard blog. As http://junkyardblog.net/archives/week_2005_08_28.html#004752 says, "we count 255 buses in that one lot. That means at a capacity of 66 on board, 16,830 New Orleans residents could have been evacced out in one trip. Even if you have a lower capacity per bus, say 50 per bus, you're still getting nearly 13,000 out in one run. In an emergency mandatory evacuation, you could probably get away with putting more than 66 on each of those buses."
UPDATE: And GOOD LORD, he just found another couple hundred city buses (the other ones were yellow school buses) which would have saved another 18,000 or so on 1 trip alone.
4. No one has proof of what exactly caused the breaches of 3 canals, but 1 eye witness quoted on Fox News today speaking with said that he saw floating grain barges hit the 17th st. canal and cause that breach, not just flood waters. This is pure conjecture, but regardless, the breaches of the 17th st levee occurred at the newly reconstructed and restored part of the levee, not the old decrepit part. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050901corps,1,7189346.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true this gem via http://www.michellemalkin.com/
"WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Thursday that a lack of funding for hurricane-protection projects around New Orleans did not contribute to the disastrous flooding that followed Hurricane Katrina.In a telephone interview with reporters, corps officials said that although portions of the flood-protection levees remain incomplete, the levees near Lake Pontchartrain that gave way--inundating much of the city--were completed and in good condition before the hurricane. However, they noted that the levees were designed for a Category 3 hurricane and couldn't handle the ferocious winds and raging waters from Hurricane Katrina, which was a Category 4 storm when it hit the coastline. The decision to build levees for a Category 3 hurricane was made decades ago based on a cost-benefit analysis."I don't see that the level of funding was really a contributing factor in this case," said Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, chief of engineers for the corps. "Had this project been fully complete, it is my opinion that based on the intensity of this storm that the flooding of the business district and the French Quarter would have still taken place."
In light of just the above evidence, no reasonable person can blame a poor response, nor re fault of the people left for days on the President. The fact is, he acted quickly to salvage the situation with the military when it had spiraled out of countrol because of the failures of local and state authorities.
gatewaypundit.blogspot.com has another list that is very well documented. Read it too please
yeah, he should have held up his magic staff with a lock of Hitler's hair attached and held back the hurricane and made sure Mayor Sugar Ray had lined up drivers for those 300+ buses under water in the Ray Naggin Memorial Parking Lot.....dumbass
Anon 19:30...
I just don't see your "proof" as being that strong.
As to local authorities being supposed to evacuate people on buses, the plan you cite only said that they "may" be used. The fact that they weren't used is obviously a tragic decision, and in time the facts may come out and show that the Mayor indeed should have utilized them.
But there again, we don't know if he had enough drivers for all of these buses, the money to fuel them all up and, most importantly, anyplace to TAKE all these thousands of people.
The fact remains that city governments are not and can not be capable of moving a half million people and relocated them on short notice.
To blame this on the Mayor is far from reasonable until further information comes out.
And trust me, the Bush administration will spare no effort to make sure the blame is placed squarely anywhere but with him or the federal government. We can be sure of that, whether it's true or not.
And as far as the role of Bush slashing funds for levee improvements and it's role in this, I think that you'd be pretty delusional if you'd think that ONE Corp of Engineers general or whatever would dare say it was Bush's fault. I mean, get real. The guy would be toast within 24 hours and he knows it. This administration is incredibly vindictive and sets out to smear or destroy anyone who dares say anything which exposes it's misdeeds.
So forgive me if I don't take the word of one high ranking corp official that the funding wouldn't have made any difference. I think it's more reasonable to trust the word of the local officials and scientists who have been working with the levees day in and day out and pleading for their improvement for years.
And as to the timeline of who ordered the evacuation when, I think your facts are a bit shaky. I have read no reliable reports of Bush urging anyone to evacuate the poor from New Orleans. As a matter of fact, he was busy doing a photo op with John McCain and in California playing guitar when you maintain he was urging local officials to evacuate the area.
As shown in the documented timeline from the post above,
http://www.thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline
as the water was breaching the levees, Bush phoned Chertoff to discuss immigration.
I hardly think this shows he was on top of things, let alone the fact that Bush personally urging anyone to do anything specific is simply outside his character. He doesn't do details, as everyone knows and he himself admits, almost proudly.
So, keep trying. I'm sure you'll all be able to find things that were done badly by state and local authorities. But what's the point? Does that excuse the hopelessly botched reaction by FEMA, the Dept. of Homeland Security, and Bush himself?
Hell no.
But keep knocking yourself out.
Oh, and I might note, I thought all you conservatoids deeply feel that now is not the time to "play the blame game." Which is it? Do you believe that or not? And if you do, then why are you playing it as hard as you can?
And I gotta say, that this ain't no "game" going on here. It's finding out why hundreds of people perished out of lack of planning and preparations and a stunning lack of urgency by the federal relief agencies. And that's no "game".
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