November 2, 2006

Republican hypocrisy parade marches on, major evangelical leader hires gay prostitute in 3 yr affair

Ted Haggard, one of the most prominent evangelical pastors in the nation, [Whom Bush consults with on a weekly basis] resigned today as president of the National Association of Evangelicals amid allegations that he carried on a three-year sexual relationship with a male prostitute.
Haggard, founder of the 14,000-member New Life Church, has denied the accusations but said in a statement released by the church today that he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by accusations made on Denver talk radio this morning."

He has placed himself on administrative leave pending investigation, spiritual counsel and a decision by the church's board of overseers, the church's legal counsel said. Haggard founded the church in 1985.

"I am voluntarialy stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity. I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date," Haggard's statement said.

The former prostitute, Mike Jones, 49, of Denver, went public with the accusations on Tuesday, saying he felt compelled to do so because he believes Haggard, a strong opponent of same-sex unions, has been hypocritical. Haggard is married with five children.

"I made myself cry and I made myself sick," Jones said about his decision to come forward. "I felt I owed this to the community. What he is saying is we are not worthy, but he is."

Jones says he was contacted three years ago by Haggard for sex - he thinks through a gay newspaper advertisement or an online ad he posted on rentboy.com.

Today, Jones showed the Denver Post an envelope addressed to him from "Art," a name Jones says Haggard used - sent from an address in Colorado Springs. Jones said the envelope came to him with two $100 bills inside.

Jones also played a recording of a voicemail left for Jones from "Art." Jones refused to reveal what the topic of the voicemail was about because there could be legal problems and he wants to consult with an attorney.

"They want to protect the sanctity of marriage and I am trying to figure out what that means because they are not doing a good job," Jones said of anti-gay marriage proponents. "To have someone in such a high profile position preaching against them and doing opposite behind other people's backs is hypocritical."

Jones said he would take a lie detector test to validate his claims.


**UPDATE** Apparently there was drug use involved as well. These people start out twisted, then find that the Republicans give them creedence due to their being able to deliver their dupe and rubes to the voting booth, then their flock grows, then the greed kicks in. These guys make MILLIONS of dollars fleecing these people.

And underneath it all, they're twisted individuals living such enormous lies of lives that it's a wonder they don't implode from sheer hypocrisy.

32 Comments:

At 11/03/2006 6:47 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this turns out to be what it really is - a political stunt (by a gay activist) in an effort to garner attention to the gay-marriage amendment in Colorado, are you going to headline that?

Haggard stepped down from his positions because that is the rule - that the leadership of those organizations set up - any alligations and the leader steps down pending investigation.

Curious timing, don't you think.

In the end, should this be unfounded (very likely), this will have enormous ramifications on the gay-agenda (as it will show everyone the lengths that they will go to in advancing their agenda).

 
At 11/03/2006 7:19 AM, Blogger Benton Harbor said...

First off, Dope, your headline should read "hires" (singular verb follows singular noun subject).
Secondly, what a non-story until it's proven that this guy Haggard actually did do what Jones said he did. An accusation to get one's point across during a ballot referendum on gay rights and marriage is one thing, proven facts at this point are another.

When I saw this story on NBC news last night, I thought what a waste of airtime, as it was just rumor at this point. but I'll bet TID has it on the his blog. Sure enough, here it is and with your headline lead, you are sure he did this... guilty until proven innocent.

 
At 11/03/2006 7:41 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Anon,
You sound like a fine American homophobe yourself... quaking in fear of the all-powerful "gay agenda" you've been sold by these types.

Let's put a $25 donation to a charity on this, eh?

If this turns out to be a setup, I'll toss $25 to whatever charity you choose, and if not, you do the same for one of my choice?

What do you say? Put some money where your mouth is?

 
At 11/03/2006 8:21 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

BH, thanks for the catch... got the tense mess up fixed.

And my offer to anonymous applies to you as well.

I'm condident that if this guy (and have you actually LOOKED at him? yeeesh!) resigned, and the fact that his accuser has evidence, and the fact that the accuser is more than willing to take a polygraph test... and the fact that these freaks that fleece people by railing against gays usually have a screw loose and are overcompensating for their own self-loathing for being gay (which they're in turn spreading to others), between all that, I'm pretty damn confident it's all true.

Are we on?

Also, if this is true, and I'm confident it is, I think the timing is brilliant.

I find the standard complaint about politically motivated scandal drops rather curious.

Are you and others suggesting that the scandals somehow don't matter simply because the chance exists that they're poltically motivated?

Look what we have here. A guy, who's the head of a massive organization devoted to denying gay rights and casting them as something less than human, turning out to be a rump ranger who craved it so bad he's pay a prostitute $200 a throw for 5 years.

That's not fair or somehow illegitimate simply because it's revealed before an election?

I think not. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a better time for the rampant dishonesty, and hypocrisy and shameless manipulation of the Christian right by this party to be revealed.

It's exactly when the public should be reminded of it.

 
At 11/03/2006 9:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TID,

I am not going to wager on this. Either way it is a terrible situation.

If Haggard is guilty, the ramifications are substantial.

If this is a smear-tactic/ campaign stunt by people trying to advance the gay-agenda, the ramifications are substantial as well.

This is a bad situation however it turns out. Wagering on it is in bad taste.

 
At 11/03/2006 9:33 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Didn't think you'd bet on your theory. But it's not a matter of taste. It's simply who's right.

It's since come out that the associate pastor of this guy's mega-church has said there was some admission of guilt.

It's also said that drug use was involved.

And I just saw that the accuser actually did take a polygraph at some Denver radio station and the results showed some sign of deception.

The accuser denied lying and pointed out that this Haggard guy has flat out denied even knowing him, which is patently false.

I also find your immediate assumption that this must be part of some "gay" conspiracy, as if all gays are acting in concert, to be pretty odd.

Why can't it simply be the case of a gay guy who is sick of the hypocrisy of the Republican/Evangelical right and this guy in particular and decided to blow the whistle? (no pun intended)

To ascribe this to some shadowy gay agenda is just dumb. Gays are not some "club" where they all talk to each other and coordinate everything they do.

Maybe it's a conspiracy by the Log Cabin Republicans, the organization of Republican gays?

 
At 11/03/2006 9:39 AM, Blogger Benton Harbor said...

Dope, glad you fixed the headline. Now that you're linked to "The Thicket," correct grammar is ever more important.

Now, am I suggesting that scandals don't matter because of the chance they are politically motivated? No I'm not. Where there's smoke, there can be fire. And we've seen plenty of examples of scandal just before an election.

What I was originally commenting on was the fact that TID had Haggard guilty of being a stool adjuster even before all the evidence and testimony was in... stating it as fact before it is/was fact.

I did read both articles and evidently missed both times where the accuser stated he was more than willing to take a lie detector test. I did view the video regarding the voice analysis and that does seem more conclusive to, at least, Haggard's leaving of voice mails.

I don't, however, agree with your assessment of the Repubs as dishonest, hypocritical manipulators of the Christian right by the acts of Haggard. And I think you would find that the majority of Republicans don't always agree with most of what the Christian right subscribe to.

While it is your blog and though I don't always agree with what say, I enjoy the bi-play it causes. In this case, however, it struck me that you were castigating and broad-brushing before the full story was known.

 
At 11/03/2006 9:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TID, do you have problems reading?

I said,

"IF THIS IS A SMEAR TACTIC BY SOMEONE TRYING TO ADVANCE THE GAY-AGENDA"

IF this is a lie, then OF COURSE it was contrived to advance the gay-agenda and affect the vote. My goodness, everything (in your world) that a conservative or Republican does is a contrived and manipulated deal - what, do you think that liberals never plan, never coordinate efforts?

Please, read the word, IF!

And, as far as your wager. I do not know what is true or not. I have no more information than you (however, you are certain that the allegations are true). I have no desire to have you make me donate to some ultra-liberal cause if this is true.

Again, I ask, will you wag your nasty little finger as loudly IF the allegations are proven to be false? Will you post anything at all?

 
At 11/03/2006 9:48 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

BH,
I appreciate that, but when I refer to Republican manipulation of these rubes, I'm talking about the White House and Republican campaign committees all the way down the line.

Karl Rove has these creeps on speed dial, trust me.

Without their help, the Republicans would be a permanent minority.

And in the case of this story, I heard the allegations and the facts as they stood early this morning and I made a judgement call.

Based on past experience and everything I saw and heard, I was damn near certain this was going to pan out to be true.

The beauty of the blog is that you can change reports as facts evolve.

But I didn't think I'd need to here, and it doesn't look like I'll have to.

If it looks like a right wing hypocrite, talks like a right wing hypocrite, and lies like a right wing hypocrite, it's a right wing hypocrite

 
At 11/03/2006 9:55 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Anon 9:45

Of course I will! When have I not? You act like it's a pattern or something. It just so happens that I've never had to take anything back because I've always been right. Sorry... but that's the truth.

And... I did read what you wrote. And you confirmed it in your comment above.

Whether the story is true or not doesn't make it any more likely to be the work of some mythical "gay agenda"!

You say if it's true, it's likely not some gay conspiracy, but if it's false, it likely is?

That doesn't make sense to me.

If it's false, then my argument still stands... it could just as likely be one guy who's pissed at this guy and decided to make the allegations.

But it's a moot point because I'm sure that there's truth to it, and it's already being reported that the Haggard dude has admitted to some of it.

 
At 11/03/2006 10:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

TID,

Start eating crow...the Denver Post reports that the accuser failed the lie detector.

You were so quick to believe - just because it was a Conservative.

John Kerry says unbelievably stupid things and you make excuses for him. Someone with an agenda makes a stupid claim - and you jump on the bandwagon.

Wow, did your true colors show on this one!

 
At 11/03/2006 10:47 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

anon 10:29

Not so fast there, Chester.

In your zeal to accuse me of getting it wrong, you neglected to notice that I've already mentioned the lie detector result in my comment above.

And MSNBC just reported that the guy, a doctor I think, that gave the test said the results weren't conclusive and that he'd like to administer another test due to the fact that the accuser was exhausted at the time which can lead to inaccurate results.

AND.... the test didn't say that his accusations were false, just some "signs of deception", whatever that means. That could be as little as minute signs of perspiration during some questions.

AND... how do you explain the intermim minister of this freak's church telling the press that there has been some admission of guilt by Haggerd?

Huh?

Don't break out the hats and hooters just yet.

I'm sure I'll be shown to have been right on this one.

 
At 11/03/2006 10:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sure that in your mind, you will be on the right side of this one. Aren't you always!!!!

 
At 11/03/2006 10:53 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

I don't know how to say this without coming off as egotistical, but, yes, I am.

I can't recall anytime in the nearly two years of this blog that I've posted anything that was later proven to be false.

If it's happened, it's been minor stuff and I've issued corrections, but even that hasn't happened often.

Please point to any instance where I've posted anything as factual which later proved to be false.

Thanks.

 
At 11/03/2006 10:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that you might have a first on this one then.

As long as you are not egotistical enough to think that you haven't missed on a few of the 'opinions.'

 
At 11/03/2006 11:00 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

PS.. the post on Haggerd marks the 2008th post since TID began.

Sort of a little milestone for anyone who cares.

 
At 11/03/2006 11:15 AM, Anonymous RI Republican said...

UPDATE***" Apparently there was drug use involved as well"

Where is the 'alleged' - you write of this as though it were fact. Dope, this is a shame how you are reporting on this. Goodness, if this were a liberal, it would never even make it to your site.

 
At 11/03/2006 12:02 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

At the risk of being too dry, opinions are sujective, and therefore can't be "false" or wrong.

I think most of my opinions will be born out as well.

BUT.... that's not to say I don't make mistakes. I thought I was wrong once when it turns out I was right after all. I remember that mistake well.

But seriously... of course I make mistakes, and lots of them. But I'm very careful about what I write here.

My mistakes are the things I remember the most vividly of all, much more than all the things I get right.

 
At 11/03/2006 12:18 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Lighten up people. I'm just reporting facts. Sorry if you hate to hear them.

When something has the qualification "apparently" that is not reporting something as fact.

Sorry.

But it IS being reported that there was drug use involved, just as I report.

I stand by everything I've written and am confident the facts will turn out to be exactly as reported.

If a liberal was exposed as gay... big deal.

They're not leading a Christian organization of millions and preaching about the evils of homosexuality.

What is it about people that allows them to conveniently ignore that fact?

 
At 11/03/2006 1:18 PM, Anonymous RI Republican said...

You speak of 'facts' - when there is NOTHING more than an allegation - of which the accuser APPEARS TO HAVE FAILED A LIE-DETECOR TEST.

Dope, who is ignoring facts?

You would NEVER post such a post based on sloppy (at best)allegations if it were a liberal. You would, at a minimum, take a deep breath and see if the accusations had ANY validity.

 
At 11/03/2006 2:33 PM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

RI, you're blowing smoke.

And you're not watching the news, apparently.

The lie detector didn't prove he was lying at all. It simply showed some signs of "deception". This could be anything and on only a few questions.

Add to that that the person who gave the test has said those results were unreliable and he would like to retest the guy when he wasn't so exhausted.

Secondly, the interim preacher has said that there was admissions of guilt by Haggard.

Now Haggard was interviewed a few minutes ago in his car and he ADMITTED buying Methamphetine from some guy, which I presume is the accuser.

He said he threw it away.

When asked how he knew he would sell it to him, he said he was told by the guy and he wanted to "experiment" with it.

When asked how he'd met the guy, he said he'd met him by going to him for a "massage", and when asked how he ended up with the guy, he said he was referred to him by the hotel he was staying at.

So there ya go. No proof of sex as yet, but admissions of buying meth from a gay prostitute.

And I'm sure there's more shoes to drop in this still.

 
At 11/03/2006 4:35 PM, Blogger QuadCityImages said...

I found it interesting that this guy was just quoted in the Lone Ranger issue of Time, which may even be the current issue. I was just reading someone else's copy of the magazine at work and it mentioned Haggard and and had a quote from him talking about how youth groups are going back to teaching actual religion instead of just partying.

 
At 11/03/2006 5:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Dope is illigocal. He can't take any critics...

 
At 11/04/2006 9:56 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

Wow. I've been called a "feak" and "illigocal" all in the span of a week. What to do?

 
At 11/04/2006 1:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a blogger stated last evening on another site. This is not good for his flock. He is on his third story already as to what happened. The latest was that he did buy the meth for him and did also happen to get a massage while he was there.
As the republicans sounded off years ago, I bought it but I did not inhale it, also he gave me a massage while I was there getting meth for me not to use.

I suggest he just sink into the dimness from which he came.

 
At 11/04/2006 4:53 PM, Blogger Milton said...

Well it has now come to fruition. The Rev Gaylord Methhead just admitted to hiring this gay prostitute. Ted Haggard Admits Steamy Gay Massage & Meth Purchase.

Yea, "I was tempted. I bought it. But I never used it."

 
At 11/05/2006 12:31 PM, Anonymous RI Republican said...

"I bought it but never used it" - sounds a lot like, "I never inhalled."

 
At 11/06/2006 7:26 AM, Anonymous Eddie said...

What happened to all the "Dope is pushing lies" Crowd?

 
At 11/06/2006 7:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ri repunlican,

That was the point I was trying to make. Thank You for clering that up for me. The fact that he bought the meth and recieved a massage from the person is more than enough. This since for the two days pryor he offered two other stories as to what had happened. Also the new story that he was given this person's name by reference from the hotel he was staying at. I doubt it. He does not appear to me as someone that would stay the lower end motels where one would be refered to these types of people. It does not appear in any of the photo's or news clips that I have seen of him that he is inflicted with poverty. I would guess that he stay's in only five star hotels when he travels. I am sure they keep on hand name's and number's for their guset's of gay drug dealing massage therapist's for their use.

 
At 11/06/2006 8:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ri republican,

Sorry but I just heard on the morning news that the gentelman just confessed to dealing with inapropriate sexual behavior his entire adult life. This while he was leading a national group preaching against the same. I would say that the dope was right and you were wrong. Maybe an apollogy is in line.

 
At 11/06/2006 9:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only point that I was trying to make all along was not an issue of right or wrong, but how Dope is so quick to print and believe an accusation against a Republican - but a little gunshy on a comparable issue when it pertains to a Democrat (example - I saw little about the Representative Jefferson issue, when the Democrat was found with $90k in his freezer on TID).

Just a little Dope inconsistency, but this is little surprise.

 
At 11/07/2006 3:17 AM, Blogger The Inside Dope said...

All I can say is you're a real smart cookie there picking up that I favor Dem policies and candidates. How long did it take for that to sink in?

And if you think I blindly support Dems, perhaps you might spend some time going back through the archives.

Clearly, my biggest antagonists, attackers, and most committed haters to the point of being stalkers are big Dems.

Secondly, I'm under no obligation WHATSOEVER to be even-handed or cover every single political story out there or to print anything about anything at all.

This is NOT a newspaper, as I have to point out over and over.

The only reason I posted something about Jefferson was that it was a real story and in the interest of fairness I felt it deserved coverage.

I did write a post on Jefferson however, something I didn't have to do, and as with every post I write, readers are free to say what they want about it, as long as they can manage to actually have some thoughts and it isn't just mindless smear or vitriol.

 

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